Pakistan in the news

Discussion in 'International News' started by JBigjake, Sep 16, 2010.

  1. Ismitje

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    Agreed. Thanks for trying at least.
     
  2. Tribune

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    Here's something I wanted to ask (addressed mostly to our members from ME, but not only): how this disarming (or lasting truce) can be achieved?
    I have seen some opinions expressed by pakistanis in the wake of this attack, including by someone whose family lost a member in it, and the basic idea was that "We cannot negotiate. It's been tried and its failed multiple times. Negotiating is tantamount to accepting their sovereignty over the tribal areas".
    With all due respect to Umar, isn't the bolded part a bit naive?
    I don't know about the "disappearances", since I have never heard about them, but the drone strikes in Pakistan started as a less bloody (at least in comparison with a full scale military operation) attempt to curb the already-existing militancy, by destroying its leadership. So, arguing for the need to "stop supporting drone strikes", isn't that mistaking the cause for the effect? On what basis could anyone think that stopping drone strikes would really lead to a lasting truce with the militants, especially since the Pakistani government hasn't even officially acknowledged such support?

    As for "start using force against militants in those areas only where it doesn't kill civilians", there is only one thing to say: it takes two to tango. That simply does not depend on the Pakistani army. It the militants don't play ball (and they won't), that is basically tantamount to yielding the populated areas to them.

    So, unless the Pakistani government is willing to cease all operations against the militants, release all the prisoners and recognize their sovereignty over the tribal areas, how are they going to have a truce with those militants?

    The Pakistani authorities (and society) had been (at least prior to attack) as lenient/sympathetic as one could be regarding the militants and their cause, yet it achieved nothing.
    So, what is to be done?

    IMO, a settlement with the militants can't be achieved at this point and the only feasible solutions (if the Pakistani authorities have the courage and the patience do it) is to initiate a long-term campaign to mitigate/discredit the Taliban's archaic ideology: like curbing the pro-taliban propaganda of certain imams (there was one who said the school attack was "understable" and I heard he might have been arrested; that's a good start), stop trying to cuddle the talibans like some Pakistani politicians did out of populism, cease supporting the "good talibans", etc.
     
  3. JBigjake

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    Nov 16, 2003
    India claims to have thwarted an attack from Pakistan:
     
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  4. JBigjake

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  5. ceezmad

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  6. JBigjake

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  7. Umar

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  8. JBigjake

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    We know the answer to that already. But, thanks for playing.
    "With no chance of either of the two Americans travelling to Pakistan to face their day in court, the case is unlikely to go anywhere."
     
  9. ceezmad

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    Another case to open for the Pakistani police.

    Karachi is the one Pakistani city that I would love to visit, very crazy for what I have been told.

    Obituary: Sabeen Mahmud
    Karachi’s wild child
    Sabeen Mahmud, entrepreneur, campaigner and all-round agitator, was killed on April 24th, aged 40
    May 2nd 201

    http://www.economist.com/news/obitu...all-round-agitator-was-killed-april-24th-aged
     
  10. Umar

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    Go to Lahore, Karachi is pretty shitty by most accounts.
     
  11. Moishe

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    Having been there I can testify that the bold is a true and factual statement. Not as bad as Manchester but still...
     
  12. Real Corona

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    Why would any non Pakistani go to Karachi other than to try and live out Daniel Pearl's last days?
     
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  13. Moishe

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    If your area of operation was the North Arabian Sea it wasn't uncommon to hit it. Granted liberty call was out of the question so was leaving the pier let alone the ship our unit was attached to. One of the smelliest places I've been.
     
  14. Real Corona

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    I mean as a tourist, relating to ceezmad's comment. I mean sure I suppose it would be up on the top list of adventure destinations along with Mogadishu, Raqqa, Falluja, Khandahar and Aden.
     
  15. Moishe

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    Still. I'd like to see that adventure tours website.
     
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  16. yasik19

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    Same reason people hike Iran/Iraq border.
     
  17. Real Corona

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    Wee bit different
     
  18. JBigjake

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    RIP. Anyone surprised? Except, that she lived as long as she did?
     
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  19. JBigjake

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  21. JBigjake

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    Odd: "This suggests the eight convictions and sentences were not overturned but, instead, never happened in the first place."
    Also: "just because eight of those accused in Yousafzai's shooting were acquitted does not mean they've walked free. They're still being held by Pakistani authorities for other alleged crimes".
    Who knows what's going on, over there?
     
  22. JBigjake

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