Copa America Chile 2015 ( June–July 2015)

Discussion in 'Ecuador - National Team' started by viagoal, Nov 23, 2014.

  1. bourne1

    bourne1 Member

    Jun 21, 2015
    Croatia
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Hey, I'm from Croatia, and I'm diehard fan of Ecuador national football team. It's a little bit weird becuase I don't have connections with Ecuador. I can't believe that we won't go into quaterfinals. Can't believe that we lost to BOLIVIA!! As Quinteros said, induvidual errors cost us a game. Same like Mexico, Achillier stupid penalty cost us quaterfinals. If we won 0-2 , today Brazil(or Venezuela) and Columbia(or Peru) could win by 1 goal, but they must win with 2 goals, and honestly I don't expect that. Maybe Brazil will win by 2 goals, but Columbia(or Peru) won't. I'M SO PISSED
     
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  2. midfield.design

    May 13, 2015
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Well thank you for following our team, even though you don't have any connections with Ecuador. Its frustrating at times but very rewarding when we win. You should visit Ecuador when you get a chance you will not regret it.
     
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  3. bourne1

    bourne1 Member

    Jun 21, 2015
    Croatia
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    That was always my wish. I'm still young(18), but when I grow up I will visit Ecuador and go to football match of Ecuador football team. I just love Ecuador(and as a country)!!!! C'mon Brazil, c'mon Columbia
     
  4. GPisco

    GPisco Member

    Jul 22, 2014
    Toronto, On
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I'll be honest i see Colombia beating Peru 2-0 because el empate no lo sirve a Colombia, with a draw they are eliminated if the Brazil v Venezuela game ends in a draw as well. Without Neymar its hard to picture Brazil scoring 2 goals. But like the saying goes Brazil es Brazil anything can happen.
     
  5. viagoal

    viagoal Member

    Jan 5, 2005
    Colombia and Peru are tied 0-0 end of first half. ⚽️ Boring game
     
  6. GPisco

    GPisco Member

    Jul 22, 2014
    Toronto, On
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    We'll we are out, I think we should organize a friendly with against with the team to be eliminated from group C
     
  7. viagoal

    viagoal Member

    Jan 5, 2005
    No miracle today. Ecuador needs to play some friendlies now that they're eliminated
     
  8. viagoal

    viagoal Member

    Jan 5, 2005
    Yes
     
  9. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    Oh well, again no luck. It was like waiting for Honduras to tie Switzerland last year. Can't hope for other teams to do you any favors. We won't get an easier group than this in any major tournament.
     
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  10. viagoal

    viagoal Member

    Jan 5, 2005
    Exactly!

    We needed more time to gel as a team. EFE waited to long to get a coach for the NT and to find competitive friendlies to be prepared for this Copa America
     
  11. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I'm kind of glad we got eliminated simply because it reflects the reality of how we did in Copa America. And that should be clear to Quinteros, the FEF, and of course the players. That's what helped up wake up 4 years ago when we were in a very similar situation. Perhaps even worse since we had not won a single game. My take is that these 3 games, believe it or not, were helpful for Quinteros and our players. More games would've been even better, but this was key and vital before setting foot in the Qualifiers, no matter what the results were in this tournament.

    Now we gotta look forward to what's next which is the Qualifiers. The key thing is that we were able to identify who SHOULDN'T be on the NT and who we need back on it. There's 8 players from this Copa America roster that IMO are not NT material and 8 players who weren't on it who should be taken into consideration. That being said, we are going into the Qualifier with a more clear idea and less speculating. Seeing the adjustments Quinteros made in the last game and also taking into consideration the players that he didn't use in the tournament at all, you could tell who is and who isn't going to be part of the Qualifiers off the bat.

    Anyhow, from here on out we can't look back. We can only look forward and next on the list is the Qualifiers. And the formula is the same- be strong in the Atahualapa and win all games there and snatch points here and there when we are away. I want to be confident that Quinteros will completely implement his style of playing onto this NT and that 3 or 4 games into this Qualifier, we see a change y la mano del tecnico. By the 4th game we should be able to say: "Se ve el estilo de futbol que practican los equipos de Quinteros en la cancha". Once we get that rolling, I can say that Quinteros is a very ambitious coach when it comes to playing away. Assuming the NT progresses and understands his philosophy of playing, we will see great away performances from our NT. And by great, I'm thinking he will go out to win it all once this team is molded. That's the attitude I want to see and I hope it brings us positive results back home.

    For now, good luck to Quinteros and good luck to our guys! Let's get our mind on the Qualifiers and get this ball rolling. We got 3 years to go and I hope that what Quinteros said comes true: "Ojala que los que critican hoy, no se suban al tren despues cuando esta seleccion comience a sacar buenos resultados". All we can do now is support.

    VAMOS TRICOLOR!!! AL MUNDIAL 2018!!
     
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  12. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015...and-west-ham-want-copa-america-star-miller-b/

    Swansea and West Ham are interested in Miller supposedly. Not sure if I should believe it or not, but it hasn't been publicized in ecuadorian media (which is what's harder to believe when you hear it there first). So I'll take this source more seriously for now.

    I guess numbers speak greatly for him. 24 goals in 48 games in 2014. He was the top goal scorer of Copa Sudamericana 2014. In 2015 so far he has scored 16 goals in 24 games. Scored 6 goals in 9 Copa Libertadores games. Scored 4 goals in 7 NT games.

    If you ask me, numbers speak for themselves. Maybe Bolanos didn't shine with the creativity and play making that we are used to seeing him practice in Emelec, but he's very much been effective. And I think that's what counts at the end of the day. I said it last year, it was only a matter of time. Statistically speaking, he has one of the best starts on a NT that I've seen from any ecuadorian player in years. Last time I saw a player statistically being this important to the NT from their debut and on, was Antonio Valencia.

    I have checked Enner's numbers and he is already one of the top 10 goal scorers of all time on the NT and I also think he has the best goal/game ratio out of the top 10. Considering how long Chucho and not to mention Tin were with us, Enner is approaching their numbers at a rapid pace. Faster than any other player in our history. Miller seems to be following the same path. We DEFINITELY got something here for us to breathe a bit easy up front during these Qualifiers. The key thing will be collectively having chemistry, finding a left back to replace Walter, and finding a center mid duo (b/c Noboa won't be around forever either).

    But Miller and Enner are a blessing considering how much they score. Gotta appreciate them, and I'm sure if some don't now they eventually will.
     
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  13. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    And the U-20 last Qualifiers. We can never rely on luck because by nature we have always been a very unlucky team.
     
  14. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Gentlemen, I was away for the weekend due to father's day, not many opportunities to log in at a cruise but allow me to give my 2 cents on out performance.

    I am not a Quinteros fan, I think I have made that clear, I do not like our NT modeled after Emelec 2013-2014, just because it worked there does not mean it will here,to me a great coach FINDS a style of playing based on the strengths that such team has.

    Now, I have to give the devil it's due and Ecuador played a very good game, now,just a couple of things to point out.

    ATTITUDE- Ecuador turned it around after Bolivia's first half, I assume it was the "everything to win, nothing to lose" mentality, Funny thing, when our boys try to be all cautious and wary things don't work out, as a matter of fact that's when f*ck ups happen, we are not a good defensive team, actually we are a horrible defensive team, we need to have the ball, control the pace spread the floor, also our players played sooo much better so much more confident once they knew they were pretty much eliminated,makes me think that once the pressure of trying to qualify ended, they finally felt stress free. This is a major issue Quinteros needs to deal with.

    EMELEC PLAYERS. Lastra had a great game he just looked more confident, even juking players lol, I cant explain that to me. Surprise, surprise, another game where Quinonez starts que nos golean, lol, this guy is unlucky. this position needs to be urgently filled, Now, everyone's favorite subject, Miller Bolanos, finally played a good game, must be because he finally was involved in the offense, his defensive game is non existant so please Quinteros, if you are gonna use Miller, then use him in a position he plays, but to me it's not all compliments, Miller had 3 excellent scoring opportunies, specially the one where Montero somehow broke into the box and set him up, yet he took FOREVER after he had control, I do not know what is it with our guys and not shooting tat goal, heck Enner had 2 excellent chances, flopped a lot and watching him not being able to pegarle de primera frustrated me. in my opinion players like Caicedo and even Yoya must be considered always to offer an alternative.

    OVERALL. We are not as bad as the first half of Bolivia, but make no mistake, playing practically "eliminados" the last 135 minutes was not a clear example of how our qualifiers are going to look, this team needs work, lots of it, Quinteros will not be fired, if we had lost this match perhaps, but now Chiriboga will say that "we won a game in 17 years" blah blah, However, Quinteros will find himself with a team that no longer has good "all around players" it's clear Arturo Mina played because Mexico had scored 2-3 goals off headers, Erazo and Achilier aren't strong headers like Mina and even Lastra, it worked, Quinteros will have to change line ups in different games, Arturo Mina would get killed against Chile or Argentina, he also finds himself without a solid defensive mid and needs to replace Walter Ayovi during this qualifiers because he will not end them, also our offensive players are not scoring, Valencia 5 goals in a full season? Montero no goals? Ibarra 4 goals? Makes you understand the persistence with Miller. the lack of goals in these players is showing in the NT. one more thing if Noboa gets injured we are beyond screwed.

    In my opinion, Quinteros does not have the material nor the time to work on projects or consolidating players, Quinteros needs to call up whoever is playing well regardless of age, B9 says Castillo? I amall for it,heck, call Matias Oyola if you have to. if we are to have any chance of Qualifying,we will need Quito, luck and the right decisions, 3 points at a time.
     
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  15. GPisco

    GPisco Member

    Jul 22, 2014
    Toronto, On
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I hope that rumor about Miller is true at club level he is an amazing player no doubt and like you said the numbers speak for itself. I hope he goes to west ham, think of the wonder it could do for the NT. We have Miller and Enner playing and West ham building chemistry only to have them come back to the NT to perform wonders.

    I admit i have been criticizing Miller the most but the performance against Mexico was great 1 goal and an assist. That was performance i was waiting for and from here on out things can only go up. I have to admit he made me face palm with that first shot he got 3 minutes into the game but he made up for it.

    Enner at this rate will be our top scorer by the end of his NT career and maybe Bolanos up there as well. Walter needs a replacement me personally would like to see Mario Pinieda get a full 90 minutes. Jose Madrid is a great candidate no doubt but the problem is if he'll be called up we've been asking for him for awhile now and he hasnt even been considered by Vizuete, Rueda, or Quinteros (correct me if im wrong). Noboa like you said won't be around forever by my estimate only 1 more world cup cycle. What do you think of a Cevallos Jr. and Gruezo (pending he gets much need playing time) duo, something we wont see anytime soon but something i think could have great potential.

    Obviously before out first qualifying games we'll have 2 more friendlies to play but hopefully we can get more. Ojala que Quinteros se ponga pila y aprovecha que Venezuela se quedo afuera tambien. Like we did with Panama play 2 friendlies home and away for a nice cute little trophy. Quinteros gets more time to get Ecuador in order and up to his standards and Vice versa for Venezuela. Everybody wins.
     
  16. bourne1

    bourne1 Member

    Jun 21, 2015
    Croatia
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    We deserved to be out. We had to win Bolivia. But it's okay, we need to prepare for qualifications.
     
  17. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I'm happy that Miller and E. Valencia finally found the net and played well together at the end. Still, I'm not super exited because it was Mexico's B and even C team. If they had Chicharo and Vela up front. We wouldn't have won't it by a long shot. Neither if the real defensive starters played.

    What I am more happy about is that we found another good CB. Mina IMO was the best surprised for Ecuador. I think he and Achilier played the best CB due in a while. Other than the stupid penalty I think both undertood each other well. Mina also has a good presence and can head the ball. Achilier clears the back with speed. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mina play outside of Ecuador. Or at least I hope he does. He still young enough to learn and grow if he goes to a good international team.

    What this past few games also showed was that Ayovi is a weakness in our defense. Probably more so than anyone else in defense. He allowed way too many dangerous passes and made stupid mistakes. I mean really stupid. It's time for him to be a backup or play midfield.

    We need to find a midfield. ASAP. Cevallos might need to be called up to play already. It's that bad. We need younger and faster blood in the middle. This is THE BIGGEST weakness we have. Can't control the ball. Can't defend to help the defensive line. Can't shoot from far for shit. If we fix the mid, I have no doubt in my mind we qualify for the WC. It would immediately fix our holes in defense through the middle. We might need to give Noboa a break or be a backup as well. We just need a major upgrade here. Please, no more slow players here either. Castillo's time has passed. Can't rely on him to come back.

    We need a lot of fixing and hopefully FEF wakes the hell up and lines up friendliest. A lot of them.
     
  18. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    This would be my starting lineup, grade in Copa America all three games combined, and backups for each position:

    When DEFENDING 4-4-2:

    Dominguez (8)

    Paredes (7) - Mina (6) - Achilier (6) - Ayovi (5)

    Ibarra (7) - A. Valencia (N/A) - Cazares (7) - Montero (8)

    E. Valencia (7) - Miller Bolaños (6)

    Bench:
    defense: Erazo , Bagui, Luis Romero, Narvaez
    mid: Noboa, Arroyo, Hidalgo, Martinez, Lastra, Cevallos
    Forwards: Caicedo, J. Ayovi, Angel Mena, Guerron

    When ATTACKING 4-3-3:

    Dominguez (8)

    Paredes (7) - Mina (6) - Achilier (6) - Ayovi (5)

    Ibarra (7) - A. Valencia (N/A) - Cazares (7)

    E. Valencia (7) - Miller (6) - Montero (8)

    Best lineup IMO for the qualifiers. I'd replace Bagui for Ayovi but it depends on how well he keeps playing.
     
  19. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Madrid has been called up by Rueda a few times, but he never played. The moment he is in since the second semester of 2014 has been screaming out NT. I think it's his time. There's not a left/right back better than him in the campeonato. I was surprised that he wasn't called up and I remember mentioning here that I'm positive he would be on the list b/c the media had it as a given. Not sure what happened, but he didn't end up on it. My take is that Quinteros is more confident with Narvaez and Bagui (his Emelec men). I agree with Narvaez and Bagui is never a bad option b/c he's the type of player to give you acceptable performances (never horrible and never great). Madrid and Narvaez are the best options simply b/c Narvaez is multi-functional- you can use him as a center back or a right back. Same with Madrid who plays as a right or left back. Those type of players give coaches more options. Which is why I was puzzled Madrid didn't make the Copa America. Then of course there's Pedro Velasco who is the other right back I believe is the best we got. Mario Pineida doesn't fully convince me. He did when he was younger, pero se fue quedando. At most, he will end up being another Bagui. Average player with acceptable performances. Never great and definitely not horrible. But I can tell you that Pineida is better than Cristian Ramriez. That's for sure!

    I hope Pervis Estupinan from Liga can continue to develop. That kid has been fundamental in Liga and he seems like he's going to become an awesome left back. He attacks and defends. Very complete player, just way too young (17 yrs old) for now.

    As far as Cevallos and Gruezo....that's the goal! By the end of the qualifier we would like one or both of them to be consolidated starters going into the WC. And in the WC the idea is to have both of them starting. Gruezo just needs to get back on his A game. Cevallos is very close to the NT. He's getting step by step closer as every game with Liga goes by. The kid is about to say "es mi turno, Rambert". I'm assuming Enrique Vera is fully healed now or close to it, so this is when we'll see who Zubeldia chooses. It will be very difficult b/c Cevallos' performances while Vera was gone were VERY important for Liga to win games. It's the difference that Cevallos is making on the field that tells me he's closer to the NT. He does it on a consistent basis. Esta cerca, solo depende de el.
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  20. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Do we count Peru and Paraguay as threats now? I don't like how they're playing sometimes but they are getting results.
     
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  21. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    When it comes to talking about their current form and most recent performances, yes. But if you're talking long term, I would aim more towards No and I explained why in a previous post. IMO, Peru is doing an excellent job, pero ya es muy tarde trabajar con esta generacion. Their best players are still Vargas, Guerrero, Farfan, and Pizarro. These guys are all 30 or 31 years of age at minimum meaning in 3 more years they'll be 33-34 on average. Their form today is great, but you think it will even last half way into the Qualifier?? hmmm, I don't think so. Will they be difficult to defeat? Hell freakin yes and very much so. We lost for the first time in like a sh*t load of years in the last Qualifier against Peru in Lima and this time it will be just as tough. They have an excellent coach who knows how to work well with the youth, but you have to ask yourself: Does Peru have young players that can immediately replace Farfan, Guerrero, Pizarro, and Vargas? And the answer most likely is no. Not in the middle of a Qualifier. Maybe after this Qualifier, yes. But in the middle of a Qualifier you think they plan on switching 3-4 vital players successfully? That's tough. That means a lot of experimenting and a lot of risk taking in the MIDDLE of a qualifier. Meaning no prep time. It's either the young guys are ready o te lo comen vivo en plena eliminatoria. They only plus they have is that Ricardo Gareca is the token coach to work with the youth, but this isn't a club team. It's a NT and you also have to have time when it comes to working with the youth until you manage to make things happen successfully. So take that into account when you analyze their situation. That's why IMO, they are going to be a difficult opponent, but as far as a threat for a qualifying position...not really. And I'm pretty sure of it. But they will be a headache to deal with nonetheless.

    Paraguay? That's probably the BIG question. They experimented and began a new process last Qualifier which was used as prep time for this Qualifier. They've definitely had some new additions to the squad, but in certain key positions up front I don't see a change. Santa Cruz, Lucas Barrios, Haedo Valdez are still up there??? all three guys passed the age of 30. Roque is closer to retirement than anything. All three are passed their prime and on decline. Who's next in line that has quality to take over these big name players? I don't see that guy or sparks of anyone that's going to make the impact these guys made. And replacing players en plena eliminatoria is VERY VERY difficult. They won't be a walk in the park like last time that's guaranteed, but they also won't be a major threat during these next 3 years. They'll be on par with Peru, which means we'll have a difficult opponent to face.

    To sum everything up, I think Bolivia (although they may be the weakest of the Qualifier) will also be difficult to snatch points from in La Paz. It will not be easy, that's for sure. The weaker teams from the past Qualifier have bettered themselves which will make this a much tougher Qualifier than the last 3 I've seen. Not easy at all this time around, but we do have our advantages that others don't.
     
  22. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I hope Argentina puts 5 against those weak ass Chilean midgets.
     
  23. Gringo Ecuatoriano

    Jun 15, 2015
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    I think Chile has a talented squad, but I feel that they have also ran with a lot of luck and cheap play against their opponents this whole tournament, with the referees taking their side the whole cup. How is it possible that we cosnecutively saw faking fouls(Gonzalo Jara vs Uruguay), agressive fouls(the elbow vs Peru) not to mention other fouls and dirty play throughout the group stages and not even one ref seems to call Chile out on it?

    I also can't stand the loudmouth arrogant Chilean fans who think that they're kings of the world at the moment, hell I saw some even justify the red card vs Cavani, even though he did nothing. I think that by far alongside Colombian fans, Chileans have to have some of the most arrogant annoying loudmouth fans. I swear I hope Chile gets knocked down to reality, if I have to hear "Viva Chile Concha tu Madre" one more time, I will shove that Concha tu madre up a Chilean fan's ass where the sun doesn't shine.
     
  24. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Lmao!

    Today I don't envy Paraguay. Wow. They got owned. Argentina ran circles around them. Terrible game plan. Still, I don't want to imagine what they would do to us. The Paraguay defense was SO slow. I mean snail status slow. The good thing we have Paredes. I am actually very happy to have him. Now with Achilier and Mina at center. We have shore up most of the defense line well and actually have depth with Erazo and others. Maybe we wouldn't lose to bad to Argentina but we would still lose because of our midfield is as bad as Paraguays.

    My question is. Can Paredes ever play LB? Anyone know or seen him play that position before? How hard is it for a RB to switch to LB? Can you guys imagine Valencia - Achilier - Mina - Paredes on the back?! I think would be awesome.

    We need major upgrade in the middle. Poor Paraguay got owned the most in the middle. This is where we would be hurt big time as well. Anyway we can make an upgrade here with younger talent? I mean someone has to step up these coming years, right? I hope at least. I really think if we shore the middle up we can qualify. It's our weakest link.
     
  25. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Well. Congrats to Chile! Now Ecuador and Venezula are the only ones left without winning a Copa America. Sad.
     

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