US vs. Germany: General Postgame Thread (R)

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Lloyd Heilbrunn, Jun 10, 2015.

  1. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    Maybe he thinks it's more important that would remedy his club situation and get off to a good start this year?
     
  2. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    He's been directly at fault for at least two goals in the last two games. Defenders are judged on their mistakes. Unfortunately for Alvarado, he's made quite a few.

    I think you make some good points. He's got a good skill set and is still young, but he's nowhere near ready to face top competition. Its one thing to like his future, its another thing to think he belongs at this level.
     
  3. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brooks has been at fault for a few of the late goals we let in before these Euro friendlies. Give Ventura some time.
     
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  4. Pragidealist

    Pragidealist Member+

    Mar 3, 2010
    I'm not sure who the German goal was on. Alvarado's spacing was fine. Did chandler talk to him or just let the guy breeze in? It seemed more on Chandler to me and Goal's player ratings said the same. Chandler has at least two lapses in concentration a game. I can say this - I've never seen the US pass out of the back as well as they have with Alvarado and Brooks.
     
  5. HankyPanky

    HankyPanky Red Card

    Aug 28, 2014
    One thing is for certain and that is how great we are passing out of the back. Instead of just sitting back and countering, we are finally keeping and retaining possession and creating chances. Something that was rarely seen in last year's WC. It is quite noticeable.

    In the 2nd half when we were just dominating. The Germans couldn't win possession.

    Great to see.
     
  6. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bringing Evans on was brilliant. He should be a fixture on the squad.
     
  7. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I wouldn't place the blame solely on him, it was both of them in the March friendlies and even the first Netherlands goal. The difference is Brooks is pretty consistent with his club team. Alvarado's had a rough season with Club America.

    No reason to write him off, but if we want our best side for GC, he shouldn't be on it.
     
  8. Jeff Wineberg

    Jeff Wineberg Member

    Aug 21, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I absolutely agree that he has proven that he can compete with anybody, today's performance was amazing. He bossed the midfield against the best team in the world. I know that the Germans did not have their A team and they looked "off", but to so dictate play against any form of the German national team is undoubtedly impressive. I am more than happy to have MB playing for TFC, but there should be little doubt that he could play for "bigger" European clubs. Can we just clone him?
     
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  9. Pragidealist

    Pragidealist Member+

    Mar 3, 2010
    I completely disagree. We just beat the Dutch and Germans with him. He's not only part of the roster - I would say he's in a tight fight for the starting role.
     
  10. HankyPanky

    HankyPanky Red Card

    Aug 28, 2014
    In my opinion, it doesn't matter what team was on the field. Bradley was bossing and the same couldn't be said about Ozil and we didn't have our best team either.
     
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  11. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Blame can be found for both. Chandler's lack of effort to mark Mario once he had peeled off Alvarado and Alvarado losing him in the first place.

    I'd probably agree with you that our passing hasn't been better in a long time, but we've had players like Gonzalez and Onyewu as fixtures at CB for years. Omar is still a very useful player, just a very average passer, who doesn't pass the ball like Besler, Brooks or Alvarado. Its really not saying much that our passing has been better with those two back there. I'd be interested to see Besler and Brooks. Our two best passers of the ball, and although Besler and Gonzalez are probably the two best defensively, I want to keep seeing Brooks develop back there.

    Is that really your reasoning? He should start because he started in two friendlies that we won?
     
  12. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    It was team breakdown. Mix took a bad angle and lost contain. Fab hesitated and didn't step up fast enough. Brooks left his man and didn't stop ball. Alvarado left his guy to take Brooks' man, which was probably a bad decision, because he likely would have run offside. Alvarado's guy was then open, and Chandler was too far to make a run/and/or too slow to recognize and react.
     
  13. Pragidealist

    Pragidealist Member+

    Mar 3, 2010
    I didn't say that. He played very well against Germany and was impressive.
     
  14. DCUSA

    DCUSA Member+

    Jan 14, 2006
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't say Bradley is world class, but he was world class on the day. If he plays like that for another year or so, well there just aren't a lot any better.

    The Gold Cup will look a lot different. Germany came to play soccer, the opponents in the Gold Cup will come to survive. Now that the US has transitioned to the team that has to break the bunker rather than sit in it, it will be interesting to see if they can accomplish that, and even better, do so with aplomb.
     
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  15. Hobo

    Hobo Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Ouch! Klinsi's Aue Relegated Player shoots us down" Aua and Aue are pronounced the same way

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  16. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, I mean, how else do you get 50+ assists, right?

    And if such a statement does indeed require courage, then you have it. Though I may detect a bit of a shortfall in other areas.
     
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  17. hookem88

    hookem88 Member

    Jan 29, 2015
    Does anyone think Michael Bradley will ever try to ply his trade overseas again? It's great seeing him in MLS, but I can't lie, I'd love seeing him as a starter on a CL team, and I think he has that ability. I almost feel like he's wasting his talent in MLS, kind of like LD. He's in his prime. I want to see him try to be the best player he can possibly be, not that playing in the MLS has hurt him, as you all could see over the past 2 matches.

    But, he makes a shit ton of money. He obviously has no need to do so, other than to prove it to himself. If he even cares. If I was making $5+ mil a year, I don't know if I'd care.
     
  18. hookem88

    hookem88 Member

    Jan 29, 2015
    It was a cool shot, but that was a shot set up for his left foot. Him using his right foot on that shot only shows that he's uncomfortable going to his left. If he was as comfortable using his left, maybe he could have curled it in.

    Not to take much away from him. He played well. Just using the outside foot there was totally unnecessary.
     
  19. HouseHead78

    HouseHead78 Member+

    Oct 17, 2006
    Austin, TX
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dude. Sarcasm on my part.
     
  20. StrikerX4

    StrikerX4 Member

    Jun 16, 2011
    Lawrence, NJ
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That outside of the foot shot with the "wrong" foot can be very useful in fooling a keeper. I don't think it shows anything other than he was creative in his approach to score.
     
  21. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe I need to go back and watch it again, but from what I remember, I disagree. Taking an extra touch would have allowed the defender to get in on the shot. It's not as if Morris was standing there by himself. He took the quick shot that surprised the keeper. Guys like Suarez have made a career off of wrong-footing defenders and keepers by taking the shot quickly, before anyone is set, and doing it well. Morris tried what great players do, instead of trying to play soccer by the numbers like average players do.
     
  22. hookem88

    hookem88 Member

    Jan 29, 2015
    Take a look at the video again. There was a defender with a foot stretched out trying to block the shot, and he needed more curl on the ball for it to have a chance of being on goal.

    I just didn't see his use of the off-foot as being necessary. But maybe I'm wrong.
     
  23. hookem88

    hookem88 Member

    Jan 29, 2015
    He didn't need an extra touch. Just go for the shot with your left foot. He didn't position himself properly to do so.

    Anyway, this is nitpicking. He played well. And we won. Whatever.
     
  24. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a good point. I wonder how much of our last two results were that neither the Netherlands or Germany sits back at all. They're always in attack mode.

    When we face the CONCACAF light weights, and that's probably everyone outside Mex, CR and Honduras, they'll be bunkered and trying to survive. That's a different type of game.

    Still, the pace we have with Morris/Yedlin off the bench is quite an asset, a threat. I also expect Gyasi to convert more of his chances at the GC level.
     
  25. Bajoro

    Bajoro Member+

    Sep 10, 2000
    The Inland Empire
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good then, you're the man to ask this: Who started that sequence with the great tackle and pass to Bradley??
     

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