Hamilton to NASL?

Discussion in 'NASL Expansion' started by atlanticTFCfan, Jul 7, 2010.

  1. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Well it seems as though Mr Young has not forgotten about the NASL franchise possibility but rather waiting for things to settle into place and not rush it and have it fail. 2014 will be exclusively dedicated to the Ti Cats. 2015 will see season two of the Ti Cats as well as the Pan Am games in the Stadium but also the WWC National and international soccer world with its eyes on Canada.
    So getting Ottawa enchrenched to go along with Edmonton in Canada. Also having MINN already in and the coming of the INDY Eleven and suddenly you have more clubs in the North to go along with the initial predominant Southern east coast.
    NYC, MINN, INDY, Ottawa, EDM, and then Hamilton and suddenlty the NASL has a North division.
    If the Flames LLP decide to add a team in Calgary that brings EDM even a bit more closer to the action with MINN and INDY.
    With OKC could also be looking at the start of a mid west division.

    Hamilton would seem like a Natural to go along with the CFL Cats and the huge Hamilton sponsor support by Tim Hortons for everything pro in Hamilton
     
  2. MakingGoals

    MakingGoals Member

    Sep 12, 2013
    Patience is key. Everything is possible so long as things are done with care and good work.
     
  3. Prosoccercdn

    Prosoccercdn Member+

    Aug 6, 2011
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I expect Bob Young will also keep an eye on how things turn out for Ottawa's NASL team as their new/reno'd stadium will be of similar size to Hamilton's. Hopefully Ottawa Fury FC can draw well with the 7000 seat soccer config for Lansdowne and the atmosphere is good.
     
  4. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So he is thinking that its good to not have a season ticket base, have games on weeknights, only be for big time events and seat 38,000.

    This sounds like a very solid plan.
     
  5. MrVillan

    MrVillan Member

    Dec 10, 2010
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    That... isn't even close to what was said.

    The original post was about the recent Brazil/Chile friendly in the T-dot, which had a really great crowd despite all of the above, and how excited the poster was about the Pan-Am games in 2015 being able to capture some of that great feel. Mr. Young then chimed in with some insight (there was no TV/it was freaking Brazil) to kind of be a downer, but added that the potential of the soccer market is why he's working to "bring the highest possible caliber[sic] of soccer to Hamilton".
     
  6. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    None of the two factors he mentioned in this quote are relevant. You WANT a tv deal. Its not a hindrance to attendance. He is claiming that because there was no TV it forced people to the game. Thats a terrible marketing plan, in any sports, in any place.

    The second item he mentions is that because this was an "event" it got all sorts of Latins out. Well guess what, when the NASL Hamilton FC club comes out to play their 4th home game against FC Edmonton, it won't be an event. It will just be a game. If he is hoping for an "Event" to push attendance he is in for a world of hurt.

    Sorry, I have never liked this guy since his pull-out of Carolina. His comments here seem to reflect a further pushing of the stereo-type that he just doesn't know what he is doing, at least soccer-wise.
     
  7. Bluesfan

    Bluesfan Member+

    DC United
    Aug 12, 2000
    Tampa
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    I agree with what Prime is saying. Young's comments seemed geared toward a completely different enterprise than a league club. I see him trying to be a soccer promoter. Bringing in foreign clubs and national teams to fill dates. I don't know if the Hamilton powers that be will be satisfied with that type of vision or not.
     
  8. Prosoccercdn

    Prosoccercdn Member+

    Aug 6, 2011
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Again, Young was talking about a Brazil/Chile friendly, no need to apply it to something it wasn't meant for and read into it more than that IMHO.
     
  9. MrVillan

    MrVillan Member

    Dec 10, 2010
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I... I just... I just don't understand how that is what you're pulling out of those comments.

    He's telling the other poster that no TV meant you had to watch this single, one time event live - yes. He's saying this helped their numbers for this single, on time event. How on earth are you extrapolating that to mean he doesn't want TV coverage!?

    And he's saying it was an event for Brazilians and Chileans (not latinos) because it was a big event friendly at the Skydome between Brazil and Chile. And it was a big event for those ex-pat communities. He knows an NASL Hamilton club won't get that, he knows it won't be an event. That's his point! You can't expect that.

    He's telling the other guy that you can't just show up and expect that kind of crowd, that there are a lot of factors that are going to need to go in to making this venture a success. But! That potential is what's exciting. If you do it right, you can tap into that passion for soccer that so obviously exists in southern Ontario.

    [As an aside, did you just read Mr. Young's comments and ignore the conversation it was a part of or something? I'm honestly flabbergasted by your misreading of them.]
     
  10. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes I read them. I stand by my comments. They are mine after all.

    And hope it works out and Hamilton with Young at the helm is a wonderful success. But I've been less than impressed by him and his soccer business ethos so far.

    By the way, extra points for using the word flabbergasted.
     
  11. MrVillan

    MrVillan Member

    Dec 10, 2010
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Silly words are the best words.
     
  12. MakingGoals

    MakingGoals Member

    Sep 12, 2013
    Go Hamilton!!
     
  13. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Probably will not be satisfied with just that but Bringing in Foreign Clubs and National teams along withan NASL team would be a nice plan. Tim Hortons would most likely be the NASL Hamilton Shirt sponsor as well as sponsoring series of promoting foreign team matches could be a nice business plan.
    The Canada USA Olympic rematch at BMO sold out in less than two hours with tickets ranging from 150-250 plus suites. Having his MRX promoting the next match between the two sometime before the 2015 WWC should be a jack pot hit for the better more modern Tim Hortons with suites, VIP Club, Coors Light 2 level Patio as well as the seagrams lounge.
    Could be a nice lead in to a 2016 Hamilton NASL club.
     
  14. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If that is for rent, then it would be a little over 10K per game (if 14 game home schedule).

    I wonder how that would compares to other NASL teams.
     
  15. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Young did state that he would wait until after the 2015 Pan Ams before anouncing anything soccer related.
    He did say "It is a soccer stadium after all" when asked about the subject which would lead one to conjure that he is planning an NASL team and wants this season to be about the Ticats only.
    JMO.
    TFC did oficially ask for use of THF for the use of a USL PRO franchise but were turned away do o this deal here. If MR young does balk at a soccer team in the NASL them I would suspect that the city will take other offers.
    JMO
     
  16. warrior14

    warrior14 New Member

    Mar 18, 2014
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just bring in Toronto Croatia just like they were in the old NASL as Toronto Metros-Croatia.
     
  17. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I could see Bob Young parntering with an aleady establised orginzation and add an NASL component.
    Hamilton Rage were in the PDL from 2010 to 2012 until moving to K-W and rebranding as K-W United FC.
    TFCs effort to partner with the Lynx fell through adding a USL Pro side to the organization.
    FC London also in the PDL.


    Not sure how it will all play out but IMHO there will be some movement and parnterships made with these clubs for TFC and an NASL Side in Hamilton.
    Both the Lynx and K-W United also both have W league sides as well so the possibility of having a sister club in the NWSL in the GTHA is something the the NWSL and the CWNT program would like to see put into place.

    With CWNT program paying for alloted players could possibly send more players to the NWSL team in Canada that may be younger and not part of the top players. So owning an NWSL club in Hamilton could work well using a home double header set up with the NWSL club and the NASL club.

    JMO
     
  18. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    As Croatian and a huge fan of (North) American soccer, I would be thrilled to se this team in pro league. Nice idea.
     
  19. dmont

    dmont Member

    Dec 7, 2012
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    .

    The following tweet from Scott Mitchell on May 20th:



    He's taking some crap from the TFC supporters because they think he's making fun of them... but am I the only one reading this thinking he's referring to bringing an NASL team to share Tim Horton's Field with the Ticats? That was my first impression upon reading it, I didn't even think he was putting down the soccer fans.
     
  20. Prosoccercdn

    Prosoccercdn Member+

    Aug 6, 2011
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I got the same read from it that you did.
     
  21. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Absolutely agree. Hamilton has got to be a very exciting place right now for sports fans. The new THF with a very great football team now and for the future.
    Over at Copps Global Spectrum has taken over management to the now FirstOntario Centre. Hamilton's let down of no NHL. Has seperated affiliation with AHL and Montreal and OHL club coming in.

    NASL pro soccer will thrive a northern vs Southern Ontario rival city with Ottawa in three different sports at a new stadium and ongoing upgraded arena. To go with OHL area London, Kitchner Rangers, etc close by with fans able to travel to and from Hamilton.
    NASL team as well will get the likes of major league cities of NY, Tampa, Indy, etc. coming to Hamilton.

    I would not be shocked to see the dormat NLL Nats move to the indoor NLL setting up a Toronto Hamilton rivalry and add to the Southern Ontario vs Upstate NY rival of Buffalo and Rochester.
     
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  22. bullsear

    bullsear Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    I think that's how most people who can read would interpret it. It's not very well worded, but certainly it's no slight.
     
  23. Green and BLue

    Green and BLue Member+

    Seattle Sounders FC
    Nov 3, 2003
    Republic of Cascadia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, these are TFC fans were talking about here. If reading was their forte, they wouldn't have been so easily trolled by Columbus fans with that banner contest entry.
     
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  24. dmont

    dmont Member

    Dec 7, 2012
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    .

    The latest from Bob Young, posted in the CFL forum in response to a veiled invite to the Ticats to attend a preliminary soccer supporters' get-together:

    http://forums.cfl.ca/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=82991&start=180

    Caretaker:
    The only reason the Ticats are unlikely to show up on Wednesday is because we cannot trust ourselves not to talk publicly about the ideas we are working on to bring pro soccer to Tim Hortons Field.;-)

    The conversations are still so early stage that publicity about any of these ideas could get in the way of making progress.

    But rest assured, THF is a both a perfect football pitch and a fantastic soccer field, and we have committed to the City to bring high level soccer to Hamilton. We hope to have a viable soccer plan we can talk about by 2016.

    The greater Southwestern Ontario soccer community will be essential to the success of this project, so you will be the first to know about any ideas that make it to the "planning" stage.
     
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