Cosmos Future Stadium Thread

Discussion in 'New York Cosmos' started by SoccerPrime, Sep 25, 2014.

  1. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What is so difficult to comprehend? The state obviously does NOT want a stadium built on its land. The state is waiting for a project that it likes and actually wants for its land. Welcome to NYS politics. The folks in Albany don't want a stadium built on state owned land. It's not that complicated. It's been what, nearly 3 years since the Cosmos submitted their bid? I grew up and lived in NYS for 26 years. Trust me, the state is no closer today to making a decision on that land, then they were 3 years ago.

    Seriously, if anyone truly wanted a stadium in that county, the Islanders wouldn't be moving to Brooklyn.
     
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  2. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    #202 Zoidberg, May 18, 2015
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    Sadly I think you are correct.

    I surmised this years ago. The state will simply keep waiting until a deal for what they deem is appropriate use of the land come to fruition.

    It's to bad because it would have been one hell of an experiment, but it was always gonna be a super longshot.
     
  3. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think this is likely too - they probably didn't like any of the bids. However they should give the bidders closure and officially not award it. Plus Long Island hasn't supported the team well. It's time for the Cosmos to move on to Brooklyn, Staten Island, Queens, Yonkers, Northern New Jersey, Westchester or Rockland.
     
  4. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I realize the Long Island situation.
    My comment came with a grain of sarcasm. With the benefits that such a project would provide yet there are some who see differently.
    Baseball stadiums, major and minor league, no problems.
    Pro Football and pro soccer go across the river has been the message sent.
    Being exiled to Hofstra this long was not expected
     
  5. bnyc

    bnyc Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    New York
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Brooklyn, Coney Island in particular, would be great. I was surprised by how much I liked the game out there. There's not many locations in city with subway access to pick from but that has to be the priority. I think Westchester or Rockland wouldn't possibly work.
     
  6. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The major strike against this hypothesis is the fact the state agency in charge of the RFP has not come out and rejected all the proposals and initiated a new RFP. If the state so clearly does not want this stadium or the competing proposals they could have easily moved on at any time and started a new RFP.

    Frankly, I have no idea why they have not just come out with a decision. Most LI politicians support this, only a couple vocal against it...community support seems mostly pro based on the limited public meetings, and since it is 100% private financed, no bonds or public funds I have a hard time figuring out why Albany is dragging their feet.

    I don't buy they "they clearly don't want it" argument. If that were truly the case, as i said earlier, they would have awarded it to another bid or simply rejected all proposals and developed a new RFP.
     
  7. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Regardless, with the way this thing goes we will be in the "nothing can happen until after the next election" phase again soon enough. Ugh.
     
  8. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    In my experience, when you see knuckle dragging of this extent with regards to a project that would be self financed it comes down to...

    ...someone with power, no matter what you hear, is simply against it....

    ....and/or it is being used as leverage for something else.

    This IMO goes beyond meetings, local politics, etc.

    There is a huge stumbling bloack somewhere. One we may not even know because the power that group/person wields would make it silly to speak out against, putting in danger other monies/projects/subsidies, etc.

    Albany looks like it holds the key.

    The only chance for real movement or info will come, as has been pointed out, after elections.

    The chances of something happening before then are virtually nil.

    I repeat....this is a big piece of land, in an area where it does no become available often....in the NYC area.

    There was always gonna be pain.
     
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  9. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Just curious if the stadium situation continues to drag on extra long?
    Moving to MCU be a better or even possible reality then on the Hofstra Campus.
     
  10. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MCU is a better option for sure.
     
  11. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Thanks i thought it may be. I guess the issue would be to come to an agreement with the Mets who operate the stadium. If they did it for the FXFL, all be it was after baseball season, Cosmos would be a much better draw. Laying down soccer lines and nets is much less than football lines and goal posts.
     
  12. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Brooklyn Cyclones play in the short-season New York Penn League which runs from mid-June to the end of August. Between that and the NASL Spring - Fall Season format, there is very little overlap between the leagues.
     
  13. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep
    If they could only paint over the brown turf and the blue logo

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  14. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Hmm. Even better. I would like to get to a Cosmos game but really not excited about going to Hofstra. Living near the airport just outside of south Philly complex and dead center between there and PPL park. I often take the short road trip North or south on I 95 for a variety of sports, venues and events. RedBull Arena, RFK, Giants stadium, MSG for Big East tourney, plenty of yankee stadium. Going to MCU for a Cosmos game would have my interest.

    What are Cosmo's fans thoughts if MCU does happen and a possible one off in Newark. Where the stadium currently has no minor league baseball tenant. To fill a date during the Cyclones short season. I know it is a distance from Hofstra but could be better for some.
     
  15. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Red Bulls are basically in Newark. Seems silly to both be there.
     
  16. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I would agree. Just a possible one off match in Newark. Im not sure if Cosmos fans are still in Newark with the RBs there now. Just a thought for myself as it would get me to a match and avoid the GW Bridge. LOL. The Union and NYC USOC match was very heated. Could be a good location for a not so friendly friendly between the two clubs from different leagues. ;)
     
  17. bnyc

    bnyc Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    New York
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    How much would it mean to the Cosmos to play in Brooklyn? It's a smaller venue, but on the subway [4 lines when they all run]. Great setting on the beach; but not a SSS. Could they build there? Is that one of the back-up plans?

    I do understand the Elmont location, in terms of marketing, is a sound location; especially with the year round retail/restaurant facilities. It's a huge investment. Building a stadium in metro NYC is going to be a huge investment anywhere it's built so it's not about the money, it's the location.

    I live in Manhattan and LI isn't a viable possibility for me. Coney Island would get me to a lot more games.
     
  18. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I live in PA and I get there several times a year. You are a lot closer.
     
  19. bnyc

    bnyc Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    New York
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    I admire your dedication, and your car.
    I know, LIRR to LI and then shuttle bus.
     
  20. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Its about the Dynamic in NY Metro now. Long Island is out and Brooklyn is in. Both the Nets and now Isles will be out of Nassau and into Brooklyn.
    Holiday Weekend attendance was 5K on Long Island. Have to wonder if at MCU park on Coney Island that that could have been an overflow crowd and a place to be for New Yorkers in general.
     
  21. jspech

    jspech Member

    Dec 12, 2013
    I have always been pro Coney Island (retractable Domed SSS only), but I think the team has to figure out a way to bring their LI fans long. But building a gem of a stadium is a must out their.
     
  22. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Those Long Island fans only being 4-5k per game. I wouldn't sweat it too much. Some of them would come to Brooklyn, technically still part of Long Island, no doubt. At least the Islanders think so.
     
  23. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    For 400 million in private funding that is not a far fetched idea.
    It will also bring about something new and unique to any stadium in North America. A mini dome, so to speak. A 20-25K modern rectractable venue specif for soccer and other events that seek and thrive on the smaller intimate crowds.
    There are the massive 50-70K monsters versions but nothing like that. Pro soccer has found the model of a smaller SSS to be the key to US pro leagues. If any larger event needs a much bigger venue every city has that in the form of a football or baseball stadium
     
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  24. bnyc

    bnyc Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    New York
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Oneyedfool, this is the question I'm thinking about; is the larger Cosmos audience LI based [and driving] or is it in the city [and tied to the subway]. Obviously there are exceptions [and you are one]; but where is the larger target audience.

    The Cosmos will only get one chance to build a stadium. Elmont is their first choice, but is it the right choice? What do you think?
     
  25. AmeriSnob

    AmeriSnob Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Queens
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Cosmos would be best trying to attract primarily fans in Queens (many whom have good access to LIRR, And iif they don't they likely have a car) and Brooklyn (a good amount of which can get to Atlantic Terminal relatively easily and take the LIRR from there), with Nassau fans being an added bonus. These are two highly a populated boroughs which are as far from NYRB and NYCFC in the city as one can get geographically and more importantly travel-time-wise.

    Because of this I think Elmont is the right first choice.
     
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