Real Madrid vs Juventus | UCL Semi Finals, 2nd Leg| 13.05.15| 20.45 CET

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  1. Real_Madrid_for_life

    Feb 3, 2005
    honestly at this point, it's either him or Zidane, at least Zidane worked under Carlo and can continue his work. He is also the only candidate at this point which actually has a chance to stay as Reals Manager for a long time due to his cult status,Neh also understands Real Madrid's philosophy and Perez is gaga over him. I don't want any other managers, Carlo would be able to learn from his mistakes this season and he is a very good CL manager, but yeah, I don't know if the guy knows how to win a league if the going gets tough, that's two seasons we've gifted away the league.
     
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  2. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

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    Mar 21, 2013
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    We're also one of the few elite clubs that hasn't won the treble, and that's just sad.
     
  3. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    I honestly don't give a sh*t about that.
     
  4. RealMadridista

    RealMadridista Member+

    Aug 21, 2006
    Chicago Il
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    I think zidane will coach us next year.with Hierro as his assistant
    I think Zidane will be given bigger freedom..that is huge boost
     
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  5. RaMaaa

    RaMaaa Member+

    Feb 3, 2013
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    Hierro is huge mystery so far for me. he do what? training defense ?club conceded a lot of goal this season.
     
  6. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    I don't think Ancelotti needed more freedom. He needed more quality from the bench.
     
  7. RealMadridista

    RealMadridista Member+

    Aug 21, 2006
    Chicago Il
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    On the presentation of Florentino yesterday they were sitting together and the camera was always pointing to them.

    Carlo was not even there
     
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  8. Raumdeuter

    Raumdeuter Member+

    Jan 14, 2009
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    How do you defend putting a 100m player on the bench. I dont think Klopp would last long either, getting BBC to chase down defenders would be interesting
     
  9. RealMadridista

    RealMadridista Member+

    Aug 21, 2006
    Chicago Il
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    How does ManU benching 100 mil di maria for whole season?
    Ans 70 mil falcao
     
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  10. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    He wouldn't last long because he has no manners. That's the reason why Schuster's ride was over very quick, as was his comeback.
     
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  11. RealMadridista

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    Aug 21, 2006
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    Holy shit. I feel sorry for Floro

     
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  12. dipluso

    dipluso Member+

    Jul 19, 2005
    CT
    Ok, I'm going to throw Ancellotti and Bale under the bus, because, well, the numbers tell a simple story:

    We had 8 must win games this last month. We won 5 in a row to stay alive in League and Champions' league, including tough-as-nails home win against Atletico and away win against Sevilla.
    But the wheels fell off in the last 3 games (loss + 2 draws).

    What changed? Hmm, I wonder. You know the answer - Bale.

    Bale doesn't start (injury): 5 consecutive victories.
    Bale returns: 1 loss + 2 draws; Bale plays 90 minutes in each.

    I know it's a simplistic way to view it but the facts are right there in our face. The attacking shape of the team also told a tale. James + Chichi + CR + Isco had chemistry. Bale + CR + James do not. Pure and simple. And it was a general pattern throughout the season. Bale underwhelmed all season; Ancellotti simply didn't have the balls to bench him in the 3 must win games.

    There is no way in hell Ancellotti will stay after this and Bale may or may not be back (staying behind perhaps only b/c it'll be difficult to off-load him).

    For those of you who say how can you bench a $100 million player - just ask Mourinho and Kaka...

    Also, the mark of a great coach is how a team comes out in the 2nd half. In 2 crucial games this season (2nd half against Barca) and 2nd half yesterday against Juve, Real Madrid was at sea from minute ~60 on. Ancellotti did not react quickly enough to the situations on the pitch and the team was sunk. Real was outcoached, pure and simple.

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  13. 4x4s

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    Mourinho got Özil and Canales as competition for Kaka. It's not like he did anything shocking, Özil had come back from the world cup as a superstar, while Kaka was looked as a player on the decline.
     
  14. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Because he looks miserable playing for them (his attitude, not his performance) and came out saying he only signed for them because PSG couldn't afford him.
     
  15. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
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    New York Cosmos
    Your analysis is very obvious and telling . Some of us mentioned and were already afraid of this outcome as soon as we knew Bale was recovering from injury and return to the starting XI. IMO there could be some clauses in Bale's contract which requires him to start all CL knock out games, if healthy.
     
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  16. white_raid

    white_raid Member+

    Oct 17, 2006
    I think Allegri rather let our full-backs than midfielders space. He thought that danger coming from the flanks - mostly crosses - would be dealt with more easily than link-up play through the middle. If only Ronaldo or Bale had scored their chances...
     
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  17. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Ridiculous. We've just entered science fiction in this discussion.
     
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  18. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
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    #1119 robnycus, May 15, 2015
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    Is either that or the pressure from the board and Flo to play Bale is too high that leaving him out in the final games of the CL is just almost impossible to manage.
    All the evidence is there to point out that stating Chicharito, Cristiano and James on top would have given us a better result against Juve. This is how we were able to finally beat Atletico at home - and they were stronger than Juventus. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1431706113.823655.jpg
     
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  19. 4x4s

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    How did you come to this conclusion? Because we lost against them so often?
     
  20. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
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    On the fact that they top their CL group and got a tie against them in Turin. Plus Atletico was our Achilles heel for most of the season until we finally stop them with that line -up.
     
  21. meringues

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    TBF I bet Atleti would've been a slight favorite against Juve had they drawn each other in the quarters. No idea how it would've shaken out.
     
  22. dipluso

    dipluso Member+

    Jul 19, 2005
    CT
    Well we got James + Kroos coming in as a superstars from the WC and who do you rate higher - Canales or Isco?

    Kaka was 27-28 at the time. Paid ~$80 million. Clearly the club did not think he was in decline. He was supposed to come in and be the 1-2 superstar with CR in guiding RM to multi-year domination.

    So I think the comparison with Bale (25 years old) is apt.
    Except that Bale's resume is much skimpier than Kaka's. By 25 Kaka had Balon D'Or, a league title and a CL title.

    So, in letting Bale play regardless of results, Ancellotti over and over again bent to the pressure of making an expensive purchase an automatic starter with, IMO, pretty obvious consequences.
    Mourinho did not. Kaka was given a chance and then mostly passed over for key games (for good reason).

    A final annoyance is that Angel is stagnating in the bench at MU while he would have been much more useful against Juve and Barca than Bale. Maybe send Bale to MU in exchange for Angel + somebody else? ;-)
     
  23. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
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    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Falcao :ROFLMAO:
     
  24. Akramzizou

    Akramzizou Member+

    Feb 13, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    Well there must be one in Ramos', Modric's, Benzema's, and James' as well then, since as soon as they could stand again they were starting games right away. Carlo plays who he wants to play, we have seen the same pattern all over to know its not specific to Bale and Ronaldo.
     
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