Should Cosmos Buy Red Bulls? SI Says RB Available For Right Price

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  1. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    I read somewhere that over 20 percent of the policies passed in the last decade by the US gov would have been illegal over 30 plus years ago.

    All the politicians did was get onboard with the lobbyists and change the laws over time, when each party had control, and viola! Legalized corruption! How sad....and depressing.
     
  2. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    .....but, as you should know by now, the actual reality is different.

    It just is, whether we like it or not.
     
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  3. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    And it's only going to stay that way or, if it ever actually does change, it will change in ways we don't like.
     
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  4. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After reading reddit I've run into a few people who think competitions outside of league play are stupid and pointless.
     
  5. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    True.

    On the other hand, which of the best teams in Central America would want to play the champions of el Norte's D2 regular season?
     
  6. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CD FAS apparently.
     
  7. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Well, TBF, folks need to realize that more money can be made here for those CA teams than at home, or in the CCL.

    Many here waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy overestimate the money in the CA game. TV, local ad money, tix money there, etc....is not very large. It isn't. Miniscule. Quite a few teams wouldn't mind coming for the payday.

    As for the FAS friendly, from what I gather, it was basically a free event for the most part. Also, how many foreign clubs actually go there to play friendlies?

    Nice crowds for friendlies, whether in HK, El Sal, or PR stunts like going to Cuba, more than likely cost NYC ownership more than what it brought in. Fairly meaningless when it comes to the local game.

    I would be much happier, and impressed with an avergae attendance north of 8K for the league.

    Still, I would wager that a FAS match up here would do very well, as it would in most places, as the local pop would represent....just like they do for their Nats whenever they play here. The crowd, like the Sac crowd would have much less to do with NYC then it would do with the situation. El Sal fans show up for El Sal. Sac fans show up for Sac.

    Since MLS is out of the question anytme soon for NYC it seems that part of the program is going on world tour promos in shrewdly selected markets. Nothing wrong with that, but meaningless with regards to the local game.
     
  8. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Who? ;)

    Joking aside, why ?
     
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  9. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Exactly.

    Talked about this on another thread, but what is the NYC business plan right now?

    Getting as much attention as possible, putting themselves in situations where they can claim they are the attraction....FAS, Sac friendly, Cuba, is pretty shrewd considering where and what they are.

    How does that resonate here? How does that put fans in the seats here? Don't know.

    I know a FAS fan who was down there to see family, and he walked right into the stadium without a ticket....like everyone else he saw. It was fun and he had a blast, but he lives in Queens and still isn't going to any NYC matches.
    He has gone to an NYFC match and has a scarf. Paying for the privilege to play in Cuba makes for a small soundbite....then what? Sac is still gonna get big crowds every week, with or without NYC there.

    I would much rather see NYC make LI their own and market hard...real hard.

    Get to a 10K average and go from there.

    If NYC ownership doesn't mind footing the bill for these traveling matches that's all well and good, but what are they doing at home? Great start to the season. Keep doing it.....and folks will really start to care, and they will start getting real local attention.

    The stadium? It is what it is. Pray for a miracle on that one. It could happen, but I think some of the more exuberant fans finally have taken a cold shower.

    Keep bringing the locals in.
     
  10. jspech

    jspech Member

    Dec 12, 2013
    NYCosmos got $200,000 for that little win in Asia.
    MLS 2014 Cup winner $180,000
    Haven't read anything about El Salvador as far as $$, but 28,000 came. No other US soccer team get that fanfare in International territory I am positive about that. We would have still be hearing about it.
    "PR stunt to Cuba" put club rubbing elbows with the right NY politicos.
    Keep bolivating. True competition is settled on the field, BTW. Not the boardroom. Go enjoy D1, leave us the minnows to live free & roam. I like D2.
     
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  11. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  12. Sam U El

    Sam U El Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 31, 2013
    Seoul Korea
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't consider it meaningless. If anything the Cosmos playing friendlies and partnering with Central/South American clubs opens up direct lines with clubs and communities that impact scouting, PR and marketing that can extend back to local communites within the New York market... It may be more of a long term strategy but not entirely meaningless to the local game. I think the Cosmos have a deliberate course of action and they aren't investing and doing the things they are doing without purpose.
     
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  13. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Agreed....it is a long term play, as long as they are willing to wait it out for a long time.

    CA fans can be fickle, as DC learned. When the El Sal players weren't there anymore....they stopped coming,

    Yes, NYC can probably pay better for decent talent down there.

    Still, in general....Cuba, Hong Kong, using Sac for their own PR purposes really won't do much overall.

    Put 8 to 10K in Hofstra regularly. That's what has to be accomplished.
     
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  14. Sam U El

    Sam U El Moderator
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    May 31, 2013
    Seoul Korea
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Absolutely! That's the real key data point for the club's future within the the Metro area. If they solidfy a Fanbase of around 10k that consistently supports the club through hell and highwater that shows legitimate demand and a reason to stay the course.

    Again, the vocal minority of folks who have hitched their complaints regarding MLS may not be the best representation of all Cosmos fans. Also the ownership group may have not understood the true dynamics of Soccer within America and what obstacles exist in the approach they took. However no one can argue with the commitment that has been exihibted in the last two years.

    Now with all that said back to the topic... I don't see the Red Bulls selling. :)
     
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  15. AmeriSnob

    AmeriSnob Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Queens
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't see the Red Bulls selling either. I do see a 3rd NYC team by the time the league reaches 30 teams. There just aren't enough markets out there that MLS would benefit to expanding to more than it would having a 3rd New York team. A 3rd NY team offers a guaranteed "big market" club and all its trappings - the TV ratings, the international exposure, the talent level, etc. Whereas a club in - and no offense meant to residents of these cities - Las Vegas, San Antonio and Indianapolis does not have as much potential on those fronts, which just happen to be the areas where MLS is setting its sights on more than anything else right now.
     
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  16. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kansas City and Salt Lake seem to be doing just fine, while Columbus and Dallas Suburbs are on the rise. We have New York teams, we have LA teams, allegedly we have a Chicago team. A team in markets you mentioned, with solid and committed ownership, can do very well both on and off the field. There are big successful clubs all over Europe and South America whose home towns are not all that glamorous. I truly do not believe a third club in NY will have any positive effect on the "talent level" of the league, but a new club in one of the un-served regions could have build a local network to tap into and develop the talent that is presently being missed. We've got 24/25 clubs right now, there are at least five more viable markets that would provide more than a third NY team. I think we would have to get closer to 40 before NY3 should come back into the picture.
    As for the Cosmos and MLS, well Red Bulls is a stupid name and if they ever do sell, it would seem likely to garner a name change. Would the Cosmos buy and rebrand? Probably not the current ownership, but I could imagine a scenario in which a Red Bull buyer takes an eye towards the Cosmos brand. Not likely, but remotely plausible.
    Until then, can we all get along and support New York soccer, we've got two great teams now! Three years ago we had zero.
     
  17. Sam U El

    Sam U El Moderator
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    May 31, 2013
    Seoul Korea
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah... The issue is always going to come down to television revenue being built on advertisement dollars. Not having a Major Market playing in Championship finals always drags down TV ratings for other sports leagues (Not Counting the SB) in the US. Since Soccer as a whole doesn't have a significant television audience to begin with... Well you get the picture. 3 teams in NY and 2 in LA give MLS more chances for a larger TV audience . . ... God willing MLS will get a 3rd NY team and the fans will love it! :sneaky: Or at some point Don will convince them they'll love it. :unsure:
     
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  18. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    If soccer is to grow above what it is NY and LA fans need to love it.

    Just the way it is.
     
  19. nanoGVSP

    nanoGVSP Member+

    Jan 31, 2012
    New york
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    IMHO it's very difficult to predict where soccer will bein the US in the next 10 or 20 years, we can all probably agree it'll grow and challenge the big four. Other than that it's hard to tell, NY and LA are very tricky markets. Just looking at the Cosmos there are so many variables, what if they get the stadium? What if they get denied? what if they're able to build at a different site? What if there is a NY 3 spot? what if the NASL grows to challenge MLS? what if the NASL folds? What if we can get 10K on a consistent basis........Personally I love the brand of soccer the Cosmos play, it's pleasing to the eye. I thoroughly enjoy being at the stadium, even more when it's packed....even more when we beat up on MLS teams, getting close to the playes is more doable than probably any MLS team. I Want the club to be around for generations, at the same time I remember what it was like when I had no team to support, going to NJ on a consistent basis was not doable for me. Therefore I'm thankful to have the Cosmos and I'll take what I can get, if they stay in the NASL, or go down to USL or move to MLS, I'll follow.
     
  20. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They should just do what Red Bull and NYCFC do here and announce way bigger crowds than they actually get to make their figures look more palatable. We had 4 games in market this week one was a legit sell out figure of 12500, the others were gross exaggerations (16K in Harrison and 20&21K respectively in Yankee Stadium) going off the pics and comments from people covering the games.
     
  21. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First of all, I think everyone with a brain could see that the Cosmos were extreme exaggerators last season, often announcing double what many folks estimated were in attendance. If they start having 2-3k show up for some matches again this season, I am sure the Cosmos will still announce 4-5k "to make their figure look more palatable." Secondly, while I thought the THURSDAY NIGHT City match was a bit of a stretch at 20k (I'd say they had about 18,500) the Sunday night match was very accurate at 21k and change, and they didn't even pay a bunch of old guys to show up and wave to fans.
    Yes, Red Bulls suck in every way shape and form (except on the field so far) so I am not going to defend them.

    The Cosmos had an excellent crowd of 12k on Saturday, which is excellent! New York's team had 42k over two matches in three days both being school nights. It's tough to take shots at City for attendance if your a Cosmos fan right now.

    And to get back to the post you quoted, if they can "put (not report) 8-10k in Hofstra regularly", that will be a great accomplishment and a clear sign of progress!
     
  22. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    How exactly does that help? Other than paper over the cracks, that is.

    Like Zoidberg said, they really do need to get 8k into Hofstra for the usual weekend game (season tickets, walk-ups, packages, corporates, distributed tickets that are actually used even if not paid for, etc.) Anything less and 1) they're not generating any meaningful revenue, 2) they're not relevant to a broad swathe of NY fans and 3) that means that there'll be no Emirates-style sponsorships in a year or two.

    In a small, one-level stadium like Hofstra, it's going to be rather hard to spin 3k into 7k; a lot harder than spinning 12k into 16k in a cavern like Harrison.

    Producing bullshit numbers starts turning the Cosmos from a fantasy club into a bullshit club.
     
  23. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hah! Good one.
     
  24. jspech

    jspech Member

    Dec 12, 2013
    The clowns are all present & accounted for. Brilliant!
     
  25. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wasn't complete til you came. :p
     
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