UK General Election 2017

Discussion in 'Elections' started by The Biscuitman, Dec 11, 2014.

  1. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
    No, it's not "against the law." British electoral laws don't care. So if two parties gain nothing from a pre-electoral coalition, why announce one? One party will just be gutted by the other according to Duverger's Law.
     
  2. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
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    Germany
    Because it is theoretically possible?
     
  3. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
    You're either trolling (violation of the TOS) or you honestly don't understand the word "theoretically." Which is it?
     
  4. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

    Jul 1, 2013
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    Arsenal FC
    You don't agree, why not?
     
  5. The Biscuitman

    The Biscuitman Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
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    Reading FC
    My disagreement is how you spin mistruths on here and claim what is best for the country as if fact, when in fact the view you have is probably shared by a very tiny minority of people, all of whom would be positioned very much off to the right of centre, quite a distance off to the right.
     
  6. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

    Jul 1, 2013
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    Arsenal FC
    Just look at Labour record while in office they lost the confidence of the people in every way. That is why they lost hundreds of seats in 2010. You're maybe anti-Tory but they jumped into a burning bed and turned the bus around. A return to labour would be an unmitigated disaster. UKIP is tapping into a populist notions that I think need to be heeded. Nonetheless I doubt Labour gains power unless the SNP put them over the top.

    Why in your opinion should Labour be trusted again??
     
  7. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Labour lost hundreds of seats? Really?
     
  8. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The British economy has averaged 1.5% since 1995 under both Conservative and Labour governments. What burning bus did the Tories turn around, and how exactly did they turn it around?
     
  9. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

    Jul 1, 2013
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    Had 403 MPS in 2005 Election then had 258 in 2010 hence they lost hundreds of seats a complete collapse.
     
  10. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    They returned 355 MPs in 2005, and lost 91 at the 2010 election.

    A collapse would be the Tories in 97, going from 343 to 165.
     
  11. The Biscuitman

    The Biscuitman Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
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    Reading FC
    No they didn't.
     
  12. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Miliband is against a referendum?

    Im a Dave supporter from now on....
     
  13. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    They did? All the Western developed economies were bottoming 2010. They're all better today. Some of them are run by the left, some by the right, it really doesn't matter. The global economic wave floated them all.

    The Tories had very little to do with it. They were along for the ride. As was Obama in the U.S., Merkel in Germany, and so forth.
     
  14. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
    Why is there such a backlash in Europe to the concept of getting along? Sure, it's not perfect, but the solution surely isn't to abandon ship is it?
     
  15. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
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    TSV 1860 München
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    Germany
    Well, we are already beyond the point where the sense of an EU was to create a common market and to get along as good as possible. There are those who want further integration as an honorable goal and those who live in a 19th century world. Not just politically but also economically. Vast parts of the British population do not have the same sentimental feelings when they think of Europe as a project. A project that has always been more than just a free trade area. That kind of explains why that self-service store attitude by Brits in Brussels is not well-liked on the continent.

    I think this has to stop at some point in the future where Britain has to decide whether they want to fully commit to Europe or to stay the ******** out of it and keep on dreaming of yester-centuries successes. To some extend, Britain has been Putin's and Muricas useful idiot or foot in the door preventing Europe from further integrating. That's why I think Britain leaving is the right thing to do. Although I have to admit I would prefer a scenario where I could go to London without a passport and pay my Crystal Palace tickets in Euro.
     
  16. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    United States
    That's an odd assessment. Kick out Britain so that people can get along. Cool. I like it. Thank you!
     
  17. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
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    TSV 1860 München
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    Germany
    The needs of 27 outweigh the needs of the few. Or one.
     
  18. The Biscuitman

    The Biscuitman Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
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    I am a fan of the EU and want to stay in, though I can see why people here might want out.

    we have an island mentality and many of the newspapers here peddle anti EU stuff on a daily basis.
     
  19. marek

    marek Member+

    Lechia Gdańsk
    Jun 27, 2000
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  20. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

    Jul 1, 2013
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    The EU is a diaster and has been a net negative for England and yes I spefically said England because the rest of the welfare scrubbing nations in the UK are europhiles. England has been blasted with unlimited mass migration because of the EU and are Soon to be subservient to Brussels. Maggie was right The EU will be the downfall of Britian.
     
  21. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-met...tatistics/population-and-migration/index.html

    The annual population growth rate for all of the UK is less than 2% over the next 25 years. How on earth is there mass, unlimited migration?

    http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/latest-immigration-statistics

    Net migration to Britain was 298,000. Out of a population of 64 million. That's an inflow of 0.47%. That's tiny. How racist do you have to be to believe that 0.47% immigration growth is "mass"?
     
    ceezmad, The Biscuitman and lanman repped this.
  22. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well wally is surely a racist but European countries have a different history to Canada and the US when it comes to immigration. 0,50 is a lot when almost no immigration happened in the centuries before that. Up until ca. 2000 it was political consens here to deny the fact Germany was a "country of immigration" at a time 10% of the population had a "migration-background". What also skews this stats is Europeans are moving from one member state to another due to globalization while in the US moving from Seattle to New Orleans hardly gets noticed.
     
  23. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
    Yeah, that is what makes America the best country on Earth, in my opinion. You can move 2000 miles and nobody cares. That's been very rare for most of history.
     
  24. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    If you're the best country in the world just for that then so are Russia, Australia and maybe Brazil. The best country would also use the metric(km) system probably.
     
  25. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Russia? Come on now.
     

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