Rumor: From Denver to Oslo: Brown Headed to Vålerenga

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  1. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
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  2. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
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  3. jcaleo

    jcaleo Member

    Nov 3, 2006
    Seems inevitable. One of many from yesterday and today.
    http://www.tv2.no/a/6690425

    "24-year-old, who previously played for including the American MLS club Colorado Rapids, shall be agreed with the club about a deal and the only thing that remains is the player's signature."
     
  4. Couchtoast

    Couchtoast Member

    May 22, 2006
    Denver, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
    This just seems like another example of right idea, sh*t execution. I have no problem with selling a young prospect for a profit, but the cupboard is bare at the forward position, and selling Brown with no immediate replacement is just ridiculous. And you know what? Even if we added Doyle tomorrow, we are still paper thin up top. My guess is that no depth at forward is going to the demise of the 2015 season like no depth on the back line was the demise of the 2014 season.
     
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  5. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
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    United States
    FYP ;)
     
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  6. Rod1916

    Rod1916 Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
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    MLS.com is reporting the potential now (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/artic...eshorn-brown-sought-norwegian-powerhouse-val?).

    They are not saying it's done, but I would be surprised if they would report it on the main MLS website without at least being close.

    I am sorry to see him go, but feel like a new start may be good for him. Plus, buying low and selling high is an OK thing for us to do (assuming we sell high).

    rod.
     
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  7. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

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    You clearly are not familiar with the schizophrenic nature of MLSsoccer.com. They want to be both the leagues official news site and the "hot stove league rumors" site. So I wouldn't put a whole lot of weight in it showing up on the site.

    That said, yeah, I think this is all but a done.
     
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  8. Soaker888

    Soaker888 Member+

    Feb 21, 2012
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    Bianchi tweets that Brown transfer is "well in the 6 figure range"... so less than $1m for sure.
     
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  9. Riccardo55

    Riccardo55 Member+

    Mar 11, 2001
    Denver
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    Like I said, way less than Doyle's yearly salary........a giveaway financially. Bad move, sorry. The league knows Powers thru to Brown requires some real attention, hence room for Sanchez/Serna or whomever....

    Sigh.

    I admit I really like speed.

    R
     
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  10. Quinn 33

    Quinn 33 Member+

    Apr 25, 2003
    Denver, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
    Some people seem to put a lot more stock in Brown than I do. I see I guy that is very fast, average ball skill, and below average shooting. I see a guy that, frankly, has grown very little skill-wise as a player over the last two seasons in spite of receiving significant minutes. I was also extremely disappointed with his play in the preseason.

    Moreover, his skill set does not fit the needs of our roster. If were playing with a single forward up top, we need a forward that can fight off defenders, play with his back to the goal, and put the ball on frame more than 10% of the time. He additionally lacks the skill set to be dropped into the winger role, where we have 3-4 superior options.

    This is a good move for Brown and the Rapids. Brown could improve with a change of scenery and he's guaranteed more playing time in a different system that can make more use of his skill set.
     
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  11. Dom. FC

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    May 10, 2004
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    The one thing that even the best and most experienced coaches can't teach.
     
  12. Riccardo55

    Riccardo55 Member+

    Mar 11, 2001
    Denver
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    I get everything you said Quinn and do not really disagree. It's a hard choice.

    But....................
    Ten goal seasons all time for Colorado
    I have watched them all........


    Connor Casey-3 in a row (most in three years by mile)
    Deshorn Brown -2 in a row
    Omar-1
    Spencer -2 over 3 years
    Omar-1
    Chung-1
    Henderson-1
    Aogogo-1
    JDV-1
    Wolde-1
    Paule-1
    Bravo-1
    Harbor-1

    Um, I wanter to keep Casey as the big lug with a fast accomplice, Omar or Brown/Badji would do, too...remember that combo worked well in 2010.

    R
     
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  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

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    Chung had 2 IIRC.
     
  14. 22SteveD

    22SteveD Moderator
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    Jun 1, 2011
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    I also agree with Quinn, but you have to wonder what a little better coaching might of done for his "skill" improvement (mostly shooting wise to me). Why no one has ever taught him to drag and round a GK over shooting at him, I will never understand.

    I might be the only one who also sees selling Powers to also be good for both him and the Rapids.
     
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  15. Riccardo55

    Riccardo55 Member+

    Mar 11, 2001
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    Yes, 2002-2003 Chung was there too.......I wish my near vision was better. So Casey by far #1, then Brown and Chung #2? Good company.

    10 goals twice is *not* a failure.
    Ponder that failure, Rapidophiles.

    R
     
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  16. murphyskicks

    murphyskicks Member

    May 15, 2009
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    We really need a few folks with some journalistic chops to start up a site to really compete with mlssoccer.com. And don't have it be ESPN with their NY/Boston bias please.
     
  17. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
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    Failure? No, not a failure. Not a screaming success either. More games, more shots... more goals.

    If we're gonna compare to Rapids history and declare 10 goals good enough we ought to acknowledge that many of those 10 goal seasons were achieved with fewer games, with a lot more efficiency, and with a contribution of assists.

    Deshorn's 33.33% goals per game is below all other 10-plus goal scorers since 2001 with the next lowest being 37.93% by Mark Chung who chipped in 6 assists and played as midfielder. His goal to shots at 8% and 10%, is well below everyone else. Again with Mark Chung being the closest with 14% and 13% even as he added a bunch of assists.

    sorry for the messy layout....
    Code:
    Year    Player    Games    Minutes    Goals    Assists    Shots     G/game    G/Shot
    2014    Deshorn Brown    30    2288    10    0    121    33.33%    8.26%
    2013    Deshorn Brown    31    2169    10    4    97    32.26%    10.31%
    2012    Omar Cummings    29    2471    14    3    76    48.28%    18.42%
    2012    Conor Casey    27    2289    13    6    69    48.15%    18.84%
    2011    Conor Casey    24    2087    16    1    73    66.67%    21.92%
    2010    Conor Casey    21    1313    11    2    51    52.38%    21.57%
    2005    Jeff Cunningham    26    1667    12    3    55    46.15%    21.82%
    2003    John Spencer    27    2264    14    5    81    51.85%    17.28%
    2003    Mark Chung    29    2639    11    6    78    37.93%    14.10%
    2002    Mark Chung    27    2401    11    10    83    40.74%    13.25%
    2002    Chris Henderson    28    2414    11    7    56    39.29%    19.64%
    2002    Chris Carrieri    25    1830    11    5    54    44.00%    20.37%
    2001    John Spencer    23    2083    14    7    76    60.87%    18.42%
     
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  18. Bridgeman

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    Feb 25, 2006
    Colorado
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  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
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    Yep, looks like we can take the question mark off the thread title mods.
     
  20. m vann

    m vann Moderator
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    http://www.espnfc.com/story/2352585...wn-headed-to-norways-valerenga-in-tippeligaen

    Brown has weighed in on the pending transfer:


    He also mentions his goal scoring ratio and his need for improvement:

     
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  21. m vann

    m vann Moderator
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    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
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    I'm on it right now. :D
     
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  22. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

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  23. Couchtoast

    Couchtoast Member

    May 22, 2006
    Denver, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
    I don't know... anyone who sees this as a good move seems to be indirectly arguing that 2 forwards (one that's an unproven 4th round draft pick and the other who the head coach wants to use as a CAM) plus a bit of money in our pocket is better for the team than 3 forwards (the aforementioned two forwards plus another who, while frustrating as hell sometimes, is still an above average MLS forward). I just can't agree with that.

    The money is nice, but money alone can't score goals for this team. You have to be able to use the money to bring in a replacement that is hopefully an improvement over (or at least a better fit for our current system than) Brown. But I have very little confidence in our FO's ability to do that. I'm skeptical that Doyle will be an improvement over Brown, and I'm also skeptical that the FO will actually be able to deliver on Doyle.

    Ultimately, my main issue isn't really with the sale of Brown (I understand that there are positives to the move). It's more that the FO constructed a roster that was so ill equipped to take advantage of the opportunity to sell Brown without also severely damaging our chances of success this year.
     
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  24. m vann

    m vann Moderator
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    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
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    Celtic FC
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    United States
    Hmmm definitely odd usage of the word. Surprised that it made the cut after editing. Although, I would take one player from Valerenga, Zahid, I think is his name. A young 20 yr. old true #10 being sought by Valencia, Wolfsburg, Lille, and a few Serie A teams. ;) :D
     
  25. wormhole

    wormhole Member

    Mar 25, 2009
    Westminster, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
    This. According to the DP article, Brown was shopping himself for the last 7 months. One would think a FO worth it's salt would take full advantage of that lead time to sign a couple of replacements - not just draft one.
     
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