Brazilian Politics

Discussion in 'Brazil NSR' started by Century's Best, Jun 14, 2013.

  1. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    So as it turns out, our new Finance Minister Joaguim Levy is a liberal (in the austrian sense of the word) with a PhD in Economics from the University of Chicago, the same school of economics that has slowly turned Chile into the best economy in Latin America and a top 10 ranked country world wide in economic freedom. This is most definitely a desperation move by Dilma I'm sure, but still very good news.

    He's also not a functional illiterate like most of PT:

    http://www.businessweek.com/videos/2015-01-21/brazilian-economy-in-adjustment-period-joaquim-levy
     
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  2. La Trucha

    La Trucha Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 16, 2009
    42 Wallaby Way, Sydney
    Club:
    Melbourne Victory
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    I come in peace. I'm interested in the prosperity of Latin America, so that includes Brazil.

    I've been told that Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Costa Rica and Brazil (don't know about Mexico though) are the most developed Latin countries. No doubt having the World Cup AND the Olympics in Brazil will only develop the country which is great for you guys.

    What I want to know is what is Brazil doing about the favelas, poverty and the crime rate? Because I hear that Brazil is the worst out of the mentioned countries in those aspects.
     
  3. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    These days any news coming out of Brazil is so depressing :cry::cry:. How did we get to this point??

    Hate to be the bearer of bad news but almost all of the public works promised in time for the World Cup that was suppose to upgrade infrastructure in the country dramatically was incomplete or wasn't even started. I think I saw an absurd number like only 3 of the major works like upgrading public transport, etc were completed out of 30.

    Its the same with the Olympics now. Promises like cleaning up the Guanabara Bay are already being broken. Sure maybe short term opportunities are being created in long term these events improve nothing all while being financed by public money.


    As far as the favelas, poverty, and crime rate well those aren't looking to great either. Favelas will always be a fact of Brazilian life unfortunately. There were plans to make them into "communities" because the word favelas is stigmatized but I doubt anything major will happen. UPP ( police who invaded favelas) will most likely pack it up after the Olympics and let the drug dealers take over again.

    The president and her corrupt party have driven the country into a recession and economic turmoil. I read about large amounts of people loosing their jobs every day now because its hard to do business in Brazil. Unemployment is rising. As far as violence, thats also rising. We now have 19 cities in the "Most Dangerous Cities in the World" list after having 16 last year.
     
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  4. La Trucha

    La Trucha Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 16, 2009
    42 Wallaby Way, Sydney
    Club:
    Melbourne Victory
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Wow that's no good, any reason why these promises didn't come through? Disappointed to hear that the infrastructure wasn't upgraded. These 2 major events were the perfect reason to improve everything, but after the Olympics there won't be a reason to improve the infrastructure.

    I'm sorry to hear. :(

    Thanks for the info btw, much appreciated.
     
  5. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil

    Chile, Colombia and Uruguay are on the right path of economic freedom. Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela and Paraguay are on the evil path. The Argentine government just offed a prosecutor who was investigating the murder of Argentine jews by Iranian terrorists on Argentine soil. Mercosul is part of a very very sinister cluster comprised of communists and Islamic terrorists and bolivarians who oppose the west.
     
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  6. La Trucha

    La Trucha Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 16, 2009
    42 Wallaby Way, Sydney
    Club:
    Melbourne Victory
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Can I have a link regarding the prosecutor?

    I didn't expect Colombia to be thriving (I mainly think this because of the cartels) or Argentina to be declining. :eek:
     
  7. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...president_cristina_fern_ndez_de_kirchner.html


    if you can understand spanish. The prosecutor gave this interview just a few days before he was offed:

     
  8. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Promises didn't come through because the government didn't care enough to do them. I remember reading one of the officials admitted after the fact that they knew a project( I think the bullet train from Rio to Sao Paulo or rebuilding a highway, one of those) wasn't going to be completed in time when they were creating the elaborate plans for each city& infrastructure renewal.

    The thing is, Brazil is not a poor country at all. The problem is that the government would rather use money to enrich themselves and those around them as they've done for years. Now we're in an even worse economic space because of the idiotic president and the massive amounts of corruption in her government. There have been huge cuts in vital areas like education and hikes in taxes.

    I guess the Brazilian in me is still just a bit optimistic that we'll get our shit together in 5,10, or 20 yrs but its just very hard to be positive about Brazil's future.
     
  9. La Trucha

    La Trucha Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 16, 2009
    42 Wallaby Way, Sydney
    Club:
    Melbourne Victory
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Ugh. Hope the next government would still pursue these plans if the current one doesn't want to. Even if it's after the Olympics, at least Brazil will be much better off if all these plans happened.

    Sadly, the general perception is that Latin American countries are all 3rd world countries where violence and poverty run rampant, I confess to have thought this myself. Though the fact that Brazil hosted the World Cup and now the upcoming Olympics says a lot about Brazil's prominence, so it's just really disappointing to learn that the country isn't receiving as much benefit as they should from hosting 2 of the world's most watched events.
     
  10. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    So the names of the politicians set to be investigated for Petrobras were released tonight. Its very hard for me to be shocked about corruption in Brazil but this is just insane. All but very few are Dilma allies.

    Big names include Eduardo Cunha (who btw was up furiously tweeting denials at 2am), Renan Calheiros, Gleisi Hoffmann, Humberto Costa, Lindberg Farias(same one who led student protests against Collor to be impeached) , Roseana Sarny( like father like daughter), and of course Fernando Collor.


    http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/...-lista-com-54-investigados-da-lava-jato.shtml
     
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  11. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    #311 Emperor Adriano, Mar 7, 2015
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2015
    Aecio has also been linked, so let's keep it fair.
     
  12. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Yea I know but he isn't being investigated. I wasn't surprised though. His MG protege is being investigated as well, Antonio Anastasia.
     
  13. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    You have to be kidding about Aecio being as corrupt as PT and allies. They just bled $88 billion out of Petrobras alone, and the congress hasnt even ivestigated BNDS yet. as for the reason me made the video "disappear" from the net (if such thing is humanly possible) its because it was a hoax to begin with. In any case I take acorrupt liberal over a corrupt communist any day of the week.
     
  14. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil

    Juca is delusional, always has been. Him and and most of ESPN Brazils Staff are proably paid goverment shills also, which is hardly shocking by brazils standards. Now inciting racial warfare with his elite branca speech is a new low for him.
     
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  15. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  16. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Its true all politicians are corrupt even Aecio. But PT have been in power 13 years. Longest tenure for a party after the dictatorship. They even had the amazing luck of Brazil having a commodities boom right after FHC's economic measures started being fruitful. There is every right for citizens to hold them accountable more anyone else right now.

    Its absolutely outrageous at the state of the country right now after all the money the country got during Lula's time. Where the hell did it go??? Where are the massive infrastructure changes that should have come during that time including expanding the highway system, building ports, etc? Where was the education reform? Why is health care shit? PT think quantity over quality. They brag about how many schools and hospitals have opened up under them but why did Lula get treated in a private hospital if he was so proud of our health care under PT?

    Petrobras is a mess but BNDES is an even bigger time bomb waiting to explode.
     
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  17. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    lol @ this pathetic shill

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  18. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Dilma's approval rate is down to 7%, that's less than half of Collor's when he was impeached.
     
  19. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    There were pro-Dilma and defending Petrobras rallies all over Brasil today.

    http://g1.globo.com/politica/notici...as-reunem-milhares-em-24-estados-e-no-df.html

    I've read attendance at these rallies have been weak as most are from MST or CUT. My brother in Sao Paulo told me a lot of the people were paid to attend as well as union members there with really no choice.

    The delusional statements I read on some sites from those attended actually raised my blood pressure. On even said he was defending Petrobras from privatization. Newsflash, PT and co have already made it into their own private piggy bank.
     
  20. PMLF

    PMLF Member

    Jul 20, 2004
    Rio de Janeiro, Bra
    PT (or people linked to PT) apparently paid R$ 35 to some of those that went to the rallies.
     
  21. La Trucha

    La Trucha Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 16, 2009
    42 Wallaby Way, Sydney
    Club:
    Melbourne Victory
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Best case scenario: Dilma's government gets impeached, have to pay back the money they took, and then the succeeding government can pursue the promises made regarding city and infrastructure improvements.

    Right?
     
  22. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    They fail to mention the other options also suck and our quite corrupt. People on here were even asking for a "benevolent" dictatorship. I supported aecio and have no love for pt but most of what your reading here is over the top.
     
  23. PMLF

    PMLF Member

    Jul 20, 2004
    Rio de Janeiro, Bra
    Former player Ronaldo participating in the protest in São Paulo:

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  24. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    ImageUploadedByTapatalk1426466582.117602.jpg

    This one was funny....

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  25. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I doubt Dilma will get impeached. And even if she did, the alternative is scary in Temer of PMDB. I just think protests are a good way to announce a citizen's displeasure.

    Btw, the justice minister went on TV tonight to announce a new anti-corruption package. These protests definitely spooked PT. I doubt the package will be approved or anything significant will change but it still a change from the whole "elite branca" stuff they were spewing.
     

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