The Catch All CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement) Thread

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  1. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999

     
  2. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It's MLS. If they've got the American Cristiano Ronaldo on their hands, they'll bend, break or create new rules to make that player happy. Hell, half the fun is reading the process they concoct for "allocating" that kind of player.
     
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  3. Sounder

    Sounder Member

    Apr 29, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I'm a star prospect I'm a little worried about signing up and hoping Don bends the rules for me. I'll pass and take lower level Euro league and keep my options open. Personally having a more attractive stepping stone for young talent is better then breaking the rules for the ones that do join and breakout. You cast a wider net doing the first, which with youth prospects is key because who the hell knows how he's gonna turn out.
     
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  4. the5timechamp

    the5timechamp Member+

    Nov 3, 2012
    "Founding teams get first dibs" is something I would not be opposed to...again in the "spirit" of negotiations can we get Sac. Republic FC into the carpool lane for becoming a franchise?
     
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  5. sawillis

    sawillis Member

    Apr 24, 2007
    Smyrna, TN
    The rules of two CBAs ago didn't prevent Michael Bradley and Jozy Altidore from choosing MLS. Playing at home will always have a pull on a player. Each CBA makes the job of getting young players into the league easier than the last. This is a process, there isn't a switch you can just flip and fix everything.
     
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  6. 15 to 32

    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    kinda sad that even some of the worst run professional organizations can't compete with congress in terms of incompetency.
     
  7. dodgers323

    dodgers323 Member

    Apr 13, 2006
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It ain't even last call on
    I wish Cahill was still in MLS. Why didn't the Red Bulls start him, again?
     
  8. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    I'd totally sell out the players if it meant getting SRFC into MLS.

    No, I'm not an entirely virtuous person. :whistling:
     
  9. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    We're talking about a guy with leverage. Don would be bending rules before you signed, to just get you in the door. You're options would remain open because if you have an agent worth his salt, you're dictating terms that keep it that way.

    Basically, the larger point is that there's no point fretting over league rules limiting such players because they'll always make exceptions. It's not ideal of course and I'd rather they allowed for such things in advance but it is what it is.
     
  10. the5timechamp

    the5timechamp Member+

    Nov 3, 2012
    The question is would u sell out the players and the entire league right now for DC flipping the script and winning the CCL?
     
  11. zensum

    zensum Member+

    Jan 22, 2008
    The Bronx, NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Not at all...

    Management will often tell the Union that their latest "final" offer should be put to a membership vote...and the Union will sometimes agree...allow the membership to vote it down...and return to the table armed with a clear membership message that management's offer is unacceptable...

    Typically a vote to approve an offer comes after a tentative agreement is reached between the Union bargaining team and management...not out of the question however that a tentative agreement has been reached with the Union deciding to only release that information to the membership...

    Could go either way...
     
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  12. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Nope.
     
  13. Allez RSL

    Allez RSL Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Home
    To your point about teams not paying transfer fees, that just seems to be a result of not wanting to spend that much money. There's no MLS rule preventing a team from dropping $10 million on a transfer.

    The competitive balance point makes sense, but I'd argue that's due to the (low) average quality of american players the hypothetical transfers would be playing with.
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still not following you.

    Teams don't say, hmmm, how much are our costs, now let's set prices. They say, hmmmm, how can we maximize revenue.

    Same with every product under the sun. They cost what the market will bear. If that product is wildly profitable, the company doesn't cut prices. They take the profits. Then that company gets competitors.

    I think you don't understand things.
     
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  15. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, I don't know anyone who goes to a Timbers game because Merritt Paulson is the owner.
     
  16. Mucky

    Mucky Member+

    Mar 30, 2009
    Manchester England
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Mucky said:
    "No of course not. But any rule needs to also not penalize young talent or deter them from joining MLS. A 16 year old prodigy would be entitled to free agency after 5 or 6 years just s much, perhaps even more than anyone else."

    Yes that is true, I didn't really state the case very well using an outlier as an example.
    Sure if the guy is a wonder-kid he is sure to be able to command more than MLS could offer anyway regardless of free agency but what about those young players who fall somewhere in between, the maybes that have tentative offers from Championship level clubs to see if they grow in the reserves? Sure some will be duds but some will turn out to be top level players.
    What is MLS doing to keep those players coming through from the US youth systems within MLS?
    Aren't they putting obstacles in their way that don't exist elsewhere with strict denial of free agency for young players?
    Sure they could leave as free agents earlier if they improve but MLS will have missed out on having them initially and having the chance to keep them in the league if they reach a better level by basically showing they don't value them at all from the off.
    Wouldn't an American kid coming through MLS and playing for the national team be worth more than foreign big name DP to the league in marketing value?
    It seems a little short sighted to me.
     
  17. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    So we're clear that a "Hmmmm" is involved somewhere?
     
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  18. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, there are seemingly plenty based on comments over the last month or two (Westside Cosmos for one).
     
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  19. dodgers323

    dodgers323 Member

    Apr 13, 2006
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's why Concacaf and Conmebol should merge. Create a new Champions League, a secondary club cup, Copa America........money, money, money, money.....MONEY! Then we'll be able to attract the big players.
     
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  20. dodgers323

    dodgers323 Member

    Apr 13, 2006
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's an awesome idea! I'm salivating just thinking about it.
     
  21. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    LOOOOOOL
     
  22. Sounder

    Sounder Member

    Apr 29, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No but including it in the cap makes the quality of internationals being brought in a lot lower. If it wasn't included teams could pay 200k-500k transfer fees for some higher quality internationals which would boost the leagues quality without killing the budget or making them a low level DP. I know this was a sticking point for Mario Martinez who wasn't amazing, but well worth the 75K we would have paid him, just not the 200k-300k fee we would have had to pay. Good players aren't often available on a free transfer, time for MLS to get with the program.
     
  23. zensum

    zensum Member+

    Jan 22, 2008
    The Bronx, NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Just read that the vote may be on whether to play week one while bargaining continues...

    This of course is typically when management locks out the players but hopefully both sides are in agreement that bargaining should continue along with week one play...

    If the speculation about the vote is correct...
     
  24. Matt Hall

    Matt Hall Member+

    Sep 26, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    My illusions of switch hitting are LONG gone (inevitable after working for a DC-based think tank during the Bush Administration), but I don't think we can use a sports labor dispute as a perfect litmus test here. It's always a tough slog to ask people to pick one side consistently when both sides are people you respect. Especially when the universal principles are not tangible, while the unique particulars of each dispute are.

    That said, the id comes out sometimes, and I doubt you are incorrect re: your particular assertion.
     
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  25. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    What dodgers323 thinks about that?
     

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