2014-2015 Off-Season Player Movement Discussion

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by revsfan603, Oct 27, 2014.

  1. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    Interesting article. Provides a bit of insight on complications MLS policies have.
     
  2. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    Is it generally believed that multiple teams can simultaneously have a discovery claim on the same player? He mentions Chicago and Houston both having made claims for the player Philadelphia wanted to sign. I wonder if the discovery lists are shared by the league headquarters with the teams?
     
  3. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    RBNY and US U-20 centerback Matt Miazga is in Qatar to train with RB Leipzig. Rumors of a full transfer are swirling.
     
  4. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    So I'm watching Carlos Salcedo start for Chivas at CB tonight--and Angel Reyna is also on the field. So his "rights" must not have been part of the deal with RSL. And thus it boggles my mind that MLS would let a 21-year-old up-and-coming player go for a reported $225K transfer fee with 2 years left on his contract--if they were convinced of the rightness of team-controlled option years. They obviously aren't.

    The CBA is taking all the oxygen out of the room, but these challenges to the "team option" years in the 2+2 are like cracks in the dam--they better this thing fixed pronto. The league has been robbed blind now twice in a row by LigaMx for a 25-year-old golden boot winner for $1.5M and now a promising young CB for $225K. I thought they were supposed to be good businessmen at MLS HQ? Those are way-below-market prices for players of those qualities and that young. What the heck is going on?
     
  5. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    How did he do?
     
  6. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Will he sign with Red Bull Football Group? :)

    He would be the first one to go from NY to one of the European affiliates, right?
     
  7. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Keith Cardona went direct from the RBNY academy to FC Liefering, which is the lower-league affiliate of Red Bull Salzburg. From the first team though, yes, I think so.
     
  8. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    You are freaking out about something for no reason. You are stuck on that 225k number, but that came from the same article that said Reyna was part of the deal. So if the person was wrong about Reyna then you'd also have to assume that he is wrong about the 225k.
     
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  9. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    ... and how did the announcers do with Carlos Salcido and Carlos Salcedo in defense together? ;)

    Also funny to see an ancient Omar Bravo going 90 while Cubo Torres can't get off the bench. May be tough to criticize the coach, though, as Bravo scored a late goal for them.
     
  10. areathrasher

    areathrasher Member

    Mar 26, 2014
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
  11. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Much as a lot of people will say that RB is abandoning NY, I would have to say that this is a smart move. MLS is filled to gills with good CBs. Getting some allocation money for him would tremendously help the team.
     
  12. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    It's not a good move when your centerbacks remaining are Armando and Damien Perinelle.

    In other Red Bull-related news, 2nd round draft pick Stefano Bonomo is trialing with Miedź Legnica, a Polish second division club.
     
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  13. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    Maybe, we'll see if this becomes a trend--RSL is lucky to avoid Reyna, though, he came off injured and stank while on.

    To be continued...
     
  14. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    Salcedo did fine, but Chivas got very lucky that it was Anangono leading the line for Leones--dude couldn't hit the side of a barn and had one massive, comical whiff right in front of goal.
     
  15. Haig

    Haig Member+

    May 14, 2000
    METROSTARS
    Club:
    --other--
    Well, that's certainly one take on the matter.

    Without Cahill (who is certainly gone), and counting BWP under the DP rule, RBNY has almost exactly $2 million in 2014 salaries on the books for 21 squad players. Even if we assume that all of the non-DP players will be getting a 10% raise, and giving Stoltz and Davis fairly generous rookie salaries, RBNY would still be some $800k under the 2014 cap, which is supposed to go up dramatically this year, and I'm counting players above the 18 man squad minimum.

    Red Bull has shown no inclination to sign expensive players. The salary cap is going way up. They already received a big chunk of allocation money, which they won't spend on salaries and has value only as GarberBux.

    If what you're saying is that more allocation money would help the team so they can trade it for some relatively cheap unwanted player from another team, a player being replaced with a much more expensive and likely far more talented player, then they would just be digging themselves an even deeper hole.

    The most likely explanation, given the demonstrated fact that Red Bull has their NY team on a starvation budget, is that Austria is actually seeking to loot the team of assets. And in no universe would that help RBNY compete in MLS.
     
  16. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    So are we saying that Miazga is ready to be an MLS starter this season? I myself don't see it.
     
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  17. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
  18. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
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  19. Haig

    Haig Member+

    May 14, 2000
    METROSTARS
    Club:
    --other--
    He has looked good at the U-20 championship, other than ball-watching on that Panama goal. Great in the air, decent on the ball, makes some nice passes from the back.

    Based on how strong he has looked for the USA youth team, and considering his competition at CB is Armando and possibly a return of Damien Perrinelle, yeah, I'd like to see him on the field for us.

    More importantly, you're disregarding the cost of getting rid of a very promising, physically imposing, and decently skilled defender in future seasons, in exchange for a bag of Garber's magic beans. That's the kind of extreme near-sightedness that has resulted in this team being at best second-rate for its entire history.
     
  20. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    About time that guy starts playing somewhere again. I assume NE still hold his rights from his last stint somehow?
     
  21. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Hearing a rumor that RSL retained 50% of Salcedo's rights.
     
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  22. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Sounds like Philly finally tired of the Carlos Valdes saga and has sold him to Nacional in Uruguay. Good riddance.
     
  23. crazypete13

    crazypete13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 7, 2007
    A walk from BMO
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Question for the folks who track these movements across the league. Has anyone maintained numbers for year-over-year club turnover?

    For example in 2012-13 off season TFC had turnover of 26 players out, 26 players in. In 2013-14 it was 17 out and 15 in, so far this off season we have 8 out and 11 in.

    The general consensus in our forum is that TFC is a dizzying carousel of managers, coaches and players - but I'd like to compare that to other MLS clubs annual off season turnover to get a picture of just how dizzying the carousel is.
     
  24. GHjelm

    GHjelm Member+

    Apr 23, 2008
    Batavia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Looks like you could easily find the numbers for this 2013-2015 here:

    http://www.mlssoccer.com/transactions/2015

    Edit: Actually, above the 2013 list is also a link to the 2012 transactions.
     
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  25. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But Tim Hinchey says they want to bring in a big-name signing....or maybe an unknown that will score goals and lead the team to a win...but either way they're going to make an attacking signing...if they can do it by their internal deadline of Feb. 1st (Sunday).

    :rolleyes:

    http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci...set-soccers-version-peyton-manning?source=rss
     

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