Is NASL dead in the state of Oklahoma?

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  1. USRufnex

    USRufnex Red Card

    Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
    United States
    Jul 15, 2000
    Tulsa, OK
    Club:
    --other--
    Simple math.
    Their claims either:
    A) Don't add up.
    B) Require a number of coincidences that are highly unlikely.
     
  2. Smoke & Mirrors

    Jul 18, 2010
    Club:
    Ft Lauderdale Strikers
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    We can't have that kind of fiasco again..... Craptastic split season needs to go NOW!
     
  3. Smoke & Mirrors

    Jul 18, 2010
    Club:
    Ft Lauderdale Strikers
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Most NASL fans I've talked to outside of OKC are pretty sure at this point that we'll never see a ball kicked there, just like Virginia. It's a shame that NASL got scooped by USL once again, but it seems highly unlikely that they could come from behind and win a battle for OKC's fanbase at this point. The Energy have all the momentum and things in place. NASL needs to focus it's time and resources somewhere else, somewhere they have a chance to place and grow a franchise more like Indy, rather than one that will end up looking like Edmonton.
     
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  4. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Yukon Board of Education unanimously approved a three-year stadium lease agreement with Oklahoma City FC to host professional soccer games, beginning in the spring of 2016.

    Well, there you go. Jacksonville joins next year, giving them 11 and OKC doesn't join until 2016 unless they're going to play somewhere else in 2015.
     
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  5. NegativeCreep

    NegativeCreep Member

    Jun 24, 2011
    OKC
    Club:
    DC United
    A quote from that article:

    " “The final piece of the ownership group and team name should raise eyes across the soccer world,” Lund added."

    What does that even mean? Maybe Beckham couldn't get the Miami deal done so OKC stole him away? What could OKC ever do to raise eyes across the soccer world?
     
  6. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With 11 teams next year, they either
    ( a ) Play a 10-game spring season and 20-game fall season, similar to this year.
    ( b ) Play two 20-game seasons.
    ( c ) Play two 10-game seasons.
    ( d ) Play one 20-game season.
    ( e ) Play one 40-game season.
    ( f ) Play one 30-game season (playing everybody three times, the same as in ( a ) above, only without a split).
     
  7. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OKC Hyperbole FC?
     
  8. NegativeCreep

    NegativeCreep Member

    Jun 24, 2011
    OKC
    Club:
    DC United
    Sounds about right. Maybe something to throw shade at the Energy and the Roughnecks.
     
  9. Smoke & Mirrors

    Jul 18, 2010
    Club:
    Ft Lauderdale Strikers
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think most fans want to see a true balanced schedule. And despite what one or two ass-clowns like Deacon say, 99.9% of fans, players, and coaches I have spoken to are not in favor of the half season garbage, many even going so far as to call it a joke, and laughable. But ask Brian Haynes what happens to those employed by the league or its clubs who publicly criticize it, heh.

    There were two major problems with this year's format:
    1. Handing a semifinal playoff spot, as a host, to the "winner" of a 9 game "season."
    2. The fact that half the teams in the league were given one more home game then the other half of the league.
    Now assuming the news about OKCFC is correct, and assuming Atlanta isn't going the way of the dinosaurs, then at least #2 is rectified. But there is still no way for a 30 game season with the current group of teams to be balanced. Some teams will be getting to play the best teams home twice and away only once, while others will get the reverse. For me, the 20 game and 40 game seasons are the only choices that are fair. Not to mention, they are what would most closely resemble the "international" pedigree NASL head clown Peterson is desperately trying to make the narrative every time he speaks. And before any of you clowns out there start saying well hey, Guatemala and Honduras have split seasons -- can it. I don't give a crap. If you truly want to be the "international" league you say you are, then model yourself after international leagues American and Canadian fans actually care about, eg. EPL, Bundesliga, Serie A, La Liga, etc. etc.

    But 20 seems to short and 40 seems to long. Quite the dilemma.
     
  10. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not surprised to hear they are waiting til 2016 to start. If they start at all. Also with Atlanta's uncertain future we may only have 10 teams again next year.
     
  11. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Balanced schedule isn't that big of a deal. There is a four team playoff to determine the champion, you don't need a perfectly balanced schedule for that.
     
  12. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are those who would say you need a perfectly balanced schedule to get to that four-team playoff. I'm not sure that's the case - see every other sport in the country - but soccer people seem to be really hung up on it. Because, Europe.

    As for Minnesota hosting a semifinal for winning the spring season....they were also the overall #1 team. In fact, the four overalls were the four teams in the playoffs, and the hosts would be the same regardless (even if San Antonio hadn't scored late in its last game, I believe).

    But 20 is too few games and 4o is too many. No one has ever played more than 30 at the DII level, and there was one year of 16 when the old A-League only had five teams.

    Whether they have 10 or 11 teams next year (and, remember, the undercurrent on Atlanta is a sale and move, not a fold), they're in an awkward position. You either have a comically short part of the season and then a long part, or you just admit that everybody's going to play everybody three times and some teams are going to get people twice at home and once on the road. Such is life. If you insist on trying to be different, you get things like this sometimes.

    Once they get to 16, they can easily do a balanced schedule, but they can't rationally split it. That dog won't hunt.
     
  13. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This deserves death by stoning in these parts.
     
  14. Brother Badgerjohn

    Oct 16, 2000
    Okie City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2016? That's probably game over for OKCFC. We're talking about a 30-month run up to the start of a Div. II team in a market with existing competition in a more central location during that entire time. We may have, at long last, and answer to this thread.
     
  15. Smoke & Mirrors

    Jul 18, 2010
    Club:
    Ft Lauderdale Strikers
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think Peterson is extremely lucky to not be looking the chump again this year on this situation. I almost wish it hadn't fallen that way so this controversy could be stirred up again, even louder. The fact that Tampa and Carolina had the best overall records last year and neither were playing for the Soccer Bowl was incredibly pathetic, and though it may very well have been part of the reason he lost his job, I say good on Haynes for standing up and acknowledging this fact at that NASL award shindig last year. Fortunately for the league the top four teams for the entire season made the playoffs. Kind of begs the question though why that isn't the criteria in the first place, doesn't it? At least to rational, logical minds anyway. The split serves no purpose. It only creates problems that a fledgling league, who likes to talk way bigger than they are, doesn't need. Trumpeting that you're different from other leagues is a FAR CRY from actually BEING better than other leagues.

    Sadly, barring some very strong complaints from the team owners, I think we will continue to have this craptastic format shoved down our throats until (if) the league gets to 16 teams.
     
  16. Smoke & Mirrors

    Jul 18, 2010
    Club:
    Ft Lauderdale Strikers
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I would more or less agree - except there is the uncertainty of the actual top four teams making the playoffs because of our craptastic format. Peterson and Davidson were able to breathe a sigh of relief when quite luckily the top four teams overall actually made it. There was no case of a "half season" winner who tanked in the other half, a la Atlanta last year. But if they continue forcing this shite on the clubs and fans, eventually it will happen again, just like it did last year to Tampa and Carolina. This would be easily fixed by playing a full season, and having the top four make it, seeds #1 and #2 as hosts. Then no one could ever argue they deserved to be in over a "half" or even "one-third" season winner who they outperformed over the entire season. I've said it 1,000 times - the split serves ZERO purpose.
     
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  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except as a point of differentiation, which is its true purpose, I think.
     
  18. Smoke & Mirrors

    Jul 18, 2010
    Club:
    Ft Lauderdale Strikers
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Exactly. I've been told by people who were in the room when this format was being discussed who have said unequivocally that it being different from MLS was a MAJOR selling point. Goes to show just HOW stupid certain individuals in the NASL are. What an utterly ignorant and pointless reason to do something so stupid that no one likes. They're egotistical jackasses. We have playoffs this year because I think some of the owners got perturbed by Carolina and the Rowdies being shut out last year while the half season tankers in Atlanta and the only played a half season glamour team in NY were in the final.
     
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  19. jspech

    jspech Member

    Dec 12, 2013
    Well count me as one of those NASL fan who loves the format.
     
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  20. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Too bad it hasn't proved to be that big a selling point to the masses, despite what the breathless bloggers would like you to believe.
     
  21. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Watched it in action for two seasons now and agree.

    Sure, you can say it's different....great. Does it actually matter and does it work effectively? Eh.
     
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  22. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Well, it does seem like a lot of the over the top rhetoric since Peterson and the Cosmos joined has gone away with regards to MLS. It really hasn't helped their cause all that much outside of a few internet nuts, and they obviously see that. NASL should simply build their product as best they can, and stop worrying about the "we are different" crowd. It's obviously insignificant.

    Do what makes the most sense. That's how you build a business. Gimmicks have never worked in soccer.

    It looks like they have learned that lesson....which is good for them IMO.
     
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  23. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Boy Kenn...how many revolutionary soccer proclomations have we heard over the last 40 years?

    The masses are out there just waiting for this, that or the other! This is what true fans want and Americans don't get it! It's like the, there are World Class players living in the streets that just don't get a fair chance mantra always trotted out.

    Committed owners with enough cash, solid business plan, marketing, sales force, decent venue, connect with your fans/community. Gimmicks are just that, formats are secondary, nostalgia does little in todays world, appealing to Euro posers is a losing battle, etc.

    Stable, smart and take your time. NASL will get there if they take that approach.

    Having a new owner in Ft. L and what looks like a committed owner in Jack is more imporatnt than adding for the sake of adding.
     
  24. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Gimmicks don't just never work in soccer, they never work in any industry. In the short term you might cause good things, but it doesn't take long for the gimmick to wear off.
     

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