Scottish independence

Discussion in 'International News' started by The Biscuitman, Sep 23, 2013.

  1. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

    Jul 1, 2013
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    Independence for Provence, Breton and Alsace-Lorraine!!
     
  2. guignol

    guignol Moderator
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    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
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    only ONE of these regions has even the smallest, wackiest independence "movement". the only person worried about their right to self-determination seems to be you.
     
  3. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
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    Spain has a constitution. As long as Madrid does not agree any vote is illegal. The UK was and is an exception. All other independence movements are nigh on destined to fail. The only possibility I see for them is to start a war of independence by throwing some teabags into the harbor basin of Barcelona.
     
  4. Scottish_Morton

    Jul 7, 2003
    Irvine, Scotland
    The perverse system of representation may limit any damage done to labour, but they're likely to lose 20-30% of total votes. They will lose a small number of voters to UKIP, but most will go to the SNP. They are bound to lose seats to the SNP, but they might be lucky enough to see winning margains squeezed rather than lose a large number of seats.

    Quite apart from the referendum, the arse had already fallen out of the lib dem vote in the Scottish election of 2011. They lost 9 of their 11 constituency seats. They might bounce back a little bit, I reckon the SNP was a protest vote of many lib dems in 2011 (and actually accounts for a decent amount of the SNP voters who voted No). I don't know if they'll lose as many as 9 of their 11 seats in the UK election, but I'd be surprised if they didn't lose at least 5 or 6.

    The conservatives are sure to benefit, and they don't even need to raise their total support by all that much. Unlike in England, there won't be any real movement from Tory to UKIP. They will be wise to target Lib Dem seats where they aren't too far behind. I'd be surprised if they didn't gain at least a couple of seats, and I suspect slightly more.

    I wouldn't be surprised by something like this:

    Labour: 36 (-5)
    SNP: 13 (+7)
    Conservatives: 5 (+4)
    Lib Dems: 5 (-6)

    I wouldn't rule out SNP winning far more seats than that from Labour, but even as it is I'm predicting the worst Labour result in Scotland for many a year.
     
  5. lanman

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    Aug 30, 2002
  6. guignol

    guignol Moderator
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    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
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    the name is cuthbert, not electoral, and he has REALLY bad news for scottish voters!
    [​IMG]
     
  7. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

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    I was being sarcastic my friend.....
     
  8. guignol

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    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
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    but it's hard to tell with you.
     
  9. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    I would have said 'impossible' but that's near enough.
     
  10. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

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    I guess. I suport the idea of the French government perhaps giving more support and encouraging local traditional cultures in outlying areas. Independence of course not
     
  11. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

    Jul 1, 2013
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    Next up Cornish independence!!
     
  12. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Nah, I've told you where it's needed next... me and the woman next door whose dog keeps barking when she's at work. I CANNOT stand for that level of intimidation and oppression :mad:

    :x3:
     
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  13. Colm

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    Aug 17, 2004
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  14. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Freedom For Tooting!

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    That was a good show...



    :D
     
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  16. Colm

    Colm Member

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    POWER TO THE PEOPLE!
     
  17. Anthony

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  18. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    1. It's The Daily-Hate Mail...
    2. You're foreign...

    Do you need a diagram drawing?
     
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  19. Dyvel

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    Free the Isle of Man
     
  20. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
    Sexist!
     
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  21. marek

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    The rest of the UK should now vote if they want Scotland to stay :)
     
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  22. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
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    As a proud ambassador of continental Europe I can say we dont really care if there are more or less independent countries on these Isles offshore. We refer to all of them places as "England" anyway, or more frequently: "Scheiß England". But as far as it concerns Europe I think Scotland staying with their pro-EU voter potential is good for a to-come referendum on EU membership.
     
  23. The Biscuitman

    The Biscuitman Member+

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    Thats my roots right there ^.....but still, Cornish independence campaigners are fools.

    Gods country I tell thee
     
  24. guignol

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    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
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    all power to the workers and peasants of the far-flung isles of langerhans!
     
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  25. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    The bold bit is interesting because, so did we for many years...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QI_(C_series)#Episode_7_.22Constellations.22

    The only survivor of the Crimean War is a naval tortoise called Timothy the Tortoise. It was born fourteen years before the war started in 1853 and died in 2004 and was the ship's mascot of the naval ship HMS Queen during the first bombardment of Sebastopol. The reason why it was the only survivor of the Crimean War was that the war between the United Kingdom and Russia only officially ended in 1966. This was because Berwick-upon-Tweed was officially rendered part of the British Empire, but not part of England or Scotland. Berwick-upon-Tweed was formally announced to be at war with the Russian Empire in 1853, but not included in the peace declaration in 1856, meaning that it was still at war until 1966. Since everyone who had "fought" in the war had died by 1966 except for the tortoise, it is recognised as the only survivor of the Crimean War.

    The reason for the discrepancy, IIRC, was that, when we declared war against Russia, we did it as the British Empire, (so including ALL of Britain, i.e. Scotland), but when we declared peace, it was done as England and Scotland.

    IOW we used the words England and Britain interchangeably.
     

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