Pre-match: U.S. MNT Oct. 10 vs Ecuador

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  1. CBlake

    CBlake Member

    May 20, 2007
    North of somewhere
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    JK can call in anyone he wants as it's a FIFA date and the MLS team have to release them. Bradley really does not have to go too far to hook up with Toronto after the USMNT match as the Reds are at Red Bull Arena the next night. Now if the players expresses a choice, that could be a different situation.
     
  2. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But you included Seattle players and they have 2 games during the window as well?
     
  3. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    Not only that, Bradley has been looking terrible... why would he be called? Jones isnt even playing 90 at this point. This is the time to try new people, not play known, and aging, regulars
     
  4. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    Lee is even closer... and hes better than Bradley
     
  5. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    travel distance is not going to be the problem but having a game 48 hours after the last game.
     
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  6. holly nichole music

    May 3, 2012
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    This game is meant for Lee Nguyen, who could become the greatest reclamation project of the USMNT ever. Dude is at the peak of his powers and is better than any attacking mid in MLS, or yank abroad, and is frankly better than Bradley right now overall. People forget the sky was the limit for Lee as a youth national. People were correct in saying he had elite skill. What he lacked was the right mentaility and hustle. He's got it in spades now. And don't even dis him for his size. Ozil has no size. Size matters a lot less if you got ballers and others with IQ surrounding you .
     
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  7. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    This Lee Nguyen love is so funny. How many of you were big fans of Wondo when he turned around his career? I'm sure a lot of you were saying that Wondo needs to be part of the USMNT going forward, and look what happened. When Nguyen gets called up, he'll likely play games against weak CONCACAF opposition and he will look very good, but I hope Klinsmann doesn't get fooled this time around.
     
  8. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why are you bring up Bradley, do you think he is our ACM going forward?
     
  9. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wondo has more goals against CONCACAF comp than Agudelo has.

    Nguyen was a top prospect that is finally starting to show his quality now, he's a bit different than Wondo.

    And frankly, this is our pool, who do you suggest we call up instead?
     
  10. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Here we go again with this. Yes, he does have more goals, but Agudelo didn't get the luxury to play against semi-pro's and bad pro's in the Fools Gold Cup last summer. Any decent MLS striker should have dominated that competition, which is what Wondo did.

    The problem with Wondo has always been how he has played in big games against good competition, and we saw that once again against Belgium in the World Cup.

    Since this isn't an Agudelo vs. Wondo debate, there is no reason to discuss this any further.

    Nguyen was a top prospect six or seven years ago. He's been off in obscurity since then. He's come back to MLS in his prime, and has put it all together. I'm just skeptical of these guys that aren't that good until their late 20's in the MLS.

    He might deserve a call up. I wouldn't totally be against it, but I hope people don't overreact if this guy plays well against bad competition. Thats what he should do. These types of players need to prove a lot more for me to believe that they are true National Team quality against big teams. I've seen too many examples of these types of players not being good enough against good competition.
     
  11. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wondo has goals against South Korea's and Mexico's B+/A- teams. Believe it or not he is an international caliber forward. He missed a good but single chance against Germany in the world cup. He will play for the USMNT again.

    Also, no one is overrating Nguyen exactly, just excited to see him called in.
     
  12. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I'll avoid the Wondo discussion in this thread since it will just clog up this thread, but I have no problem discussing this with you in another thread or by PM. Couldn't disagree with you more about Wondo though.

    I think Nguyen is being overrated because I think these types of players like Nguyen who are late bloomers should be treated with a lot of skepticism.
     
  13. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope you are wrong.
     
  14. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nguyen isn't a late bloomer though. He had all the skills before just never really played up to his abilities consistently. For some reason it's all clicked now.
     
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  15. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why be so unreasonable? He can score against GC comp. He can score against decent international comp.

    There aren't a lot of guys in our forward pool that are scoring. Just Zardes. Boyd is just about to come back and AJ is still in midst of a long lay off. I mean who would you call up to play forward with the national team. Unless someone like Wood or Rubio turns it up in the next couple of weeks I don't see how Klinsmann can't consider him for a call up.
     
  16. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I consider players like that to be late bloomers. Whatever word you want to use to categorize what has happened with Nguyen's career in the last few years, I think what he's done should be treated with a lot of skepticism.
     
  17. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just don't see the benefit to have Wondo take precious minutes from a young up and commer. I want to see Morris, Rubin get a chance. Wondo is not going to be in 2018 so why give him minutes.
     
  18. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    Im not sure how much you see Lee play, I see him every week and he's the real deal. It really doesnt matter who the opposition is, the kind of skill he has would work against anybody. I've seen him outplay Bradley, Zusi and Yedlin when running at them in MLS games. What else does he have to do? The Revs current run has little to do with Jones and everything to do with Lee. Jones I think is inspiring the team but his presence is good but not the reason for the wins. Lee has earned this call and if JK doesnt call him... I will be furious. He is the best center mid in MLS right now and I will include US players in Mexico too

    I think it would be a big mistake to dress a high number of the known and aging MLS players for the October game...what for? we know what they bring. This is the time to rebuild the pool with players that havent had a lot of looks. Lee has certainly earned a callup. He could do excellent at Dempsey's position AND actually play some defense too. He certainly would be more dangerous on attack and Dempsey plays no defense. Also, the game is in his back yard, couple hour drive. The downside is the Revs play Montreal the next night in Montreal and I would be furious if they fight for JK not to call him. That would be totally unfair to Lee.
     
  19. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    Could just be the team situation? The Revs are a fairly unselfish team, have a good number of mobile players so he doesnt have to be the show. It was funny because both Toronto and RSL tried to shut him down quickly if he got the ball and the result was three goals and an assist out of two games. They couldnt do it

    I dont know why hes had trouble on other teams... something wasnt right. It took him a while to really get going with the Revs too but for what ever reason... he is on fire the last two years. The only question now is if JK is smart enough to see it? I really want to believe he is
     
  20. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nope. He's going to call me up, actually. I just scored 3 goals in a pick-up indoor soccer game at school. Very high level of competition, including not that many people over 40, and some of us weren't even that drunk.
     
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  21. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    He's been great in MLS, but that doesn't mean that he'll be great against good teams on the international level. I don't see any holes in his game other than the fact that he is a late bloomer in MLS and those guys don't have the best track record of doing well with the USMNT against top competition. Maybe its an unfair complaint. I think he'll get a shot eventually, but I'd still rather give a shot to players like Luis Gil and Dillon Powers first Nguyen because they've shown to be worthy of a National Team call up at a much younger age, and I feel that they have a lot more potential.
     
  22. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Besides Jurgen Klinsmann? Actually, not many, that I recall anyway.

    Nguyen's problems in the past have been largely on the mental side of the game. The catch-all phrase would be inconsistency. Yes, he will not get all those chances against higher competition. Zardes will not either, just to pick another MLS player who is scoring a lot these days.

    The point will be if Nguyen can play with his mind in the right gear and make good choices on the pitch. He happens to be in good form at the moment. Nothing wrong with taking special note of a player "in the zone".
     
  23. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I just don't want to see people get suckered in again if Nguyen plays well against bad competition like some did with Wondo. What he's done so far should be treated with a ton of skepticism because he's finally started to play well in his prime.

    I'm not totally against him getting a cap. For now though, he's nothing more than a player in his prime having a good season in MLS. Lets treat it as that rather than penciling him into the best 23 for the National Team.
     
  24. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    You know he had callups under Bradley as well. He was bought to replace Beasley at PSV. New Coach after Gus Hiddink brought him in did not like him, so he went to Denmark. Then turned down MLS because of a lowball offer. Went to vietnam to play, learned about his heritage, and is basically their Landon Donovan. Trained at Arsenal. Came back to MLS. Had a decent 1st season and has continually improved where he is an actual MVP candidate. Responsible for much of Agudelo's success for half a season.
     
  25. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    What's your point? It took him until age 27 to show what he's capable of. I'm aware that he was very highly rated when he was younger, but he hasn't put it all together until age 27. That doesn't make you skeptical?
     

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