World Cup 2014 Other Teams Thread

Discussion in 'Portugal: National Teams' started by ---Z---, Jun 12, 2014.

  1. doritos93

    doritos93 Member

    Jun 10, 2010
    Montreal - Europe
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Honestly speaking, I didn't think RM had "real" fans until I visited these forums. How could you be a fan of a club like Madrid, I just don't understand
     
  2. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    its cause Kuwait, Qatar, Pakistan, and Malaysia don't have clubs in the CL
     
  3. Joao Bibliotecario

    Jun 24, 2014
    Brooklyn, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Huh. I always wondered why there were so many Arabic-language posts on CR7's Facebook page.
     
  4. doritos93

    doritos93 Member

    Jun 10, 2010
    Montreal - Europe
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Like let's say you're a RM fan, what do you do when the team wins? Celebrate? Celebrate a win over a team that has 10% of the funds "your" team has?

    How do you root for a team that is full of superstars? Where's the sense of competition?
     
  5. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    In England they (use) to say that all Man Utd fans are outside Manchester and people who actually live in Manchester support Man City. Real Madrid is the biggest glory hunting football fan club ever, thats why. RM buying titles for 60 years.
     
  6. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    #706 ---Z---, Jul 25, 2014
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2014
    I donno about saying RM has been buying titles for 60 years

    They did not win any ECC/CL between 1966-1998,

    since the turn of the millennium they have been huge spenders in the transfer market. Everything has been accelerated it seems. Football these days is making me sick.

    their mystique is built on the foundations laid by Santiago Bernabeu (he was like their PDC back in the day) and the team who won the first 5 ECC's (Di Stefano, Del Sol, Santamaria, Puskas, etc) , this solidified their hegemony in Spain and now that Spain has become such a huge and world-leading football market its no surprise that both Real Madrid and FC Barcelona have become financial powerhouses in the modern football era.

    Barcelona gets a lot of cred for their home grown team, but they spend a lot of money. before they had the Spanish golden gen and Messi coming through their ranks theyd spend spend and spend. 1990s they were stacked with foreign stars, mid 2000s they were stacked with many foreign signings, and it appeared they are going that route again as Xavi, Iniesta etc fade away.
     
  7. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Arab's like anything that is rich and successful , so they like CR7.
     
  8. Sumol

    Sumol Member+

    Portugal
    Oct 12, 2011
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    It's because CR7 sides with Palestine.

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  9. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    What I meant was Real Madrid were the first to buy the best from around the world to win the European Cup 1955-1960 and after 1966 only won again after a huge financial investment, they never won it on the basis of having a great homegrown team like Ajax 1996 or Porto 2004 or....
     
  10. Chess_Panther

    Chess_Panther Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Porto, Portugal
    You're saying that C. Ronaldo is able to pinpoint Palestine's location in the world map?

    Now, that's shocking.
     
  11. Joao Bibliotecario

    Jun 24, 2014
    Brooklyn, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I don't watch any sport so much that I watch all the games against small/bad teams and I agree, celebrating is terrible sportsmanship. I follow RM 'cause Ronaldo and Coentrao are there, that's the sole reason. I've loved portugal since 97 and now that he's come along, I watch a lot more. However, I'm American and most of my football watching comes from the Champions League (since that's about all you can get here) where they're all titans. I enjoy watching Barcelona, Chelsea, Galatasaray, Borussia, Man U/City etc. battle each other since I think they're all on the same footing - rich clubs buying players.

    However since discovering this forum I realize there's likely a lot of smaller market teams that I would find to have way more cachet, were I only in Portugal to watch. Kind of sucks for me but that's how it is - I want to watch Portugal football, and the only way to do it is to follow Portuguese players at big clubs.
     
  12. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I use to watch RM because of Mourinho/Coentrão/Pepe quite often. Was really hoping
    Coentrão was going to move so that there would be no big reason to watch RM (still watch sometimes if I know he playing), lots of Portuguese watch just because of Ronaldo now.

    You can get links on line to watch the games that is what I do as am in England, you can even get Benfica/SCP/Porto B games.

    http://www.tvgente.com/index.php
    http://www.wiziwig.tv/index.php?part=sports
    http://livetv.sx/en/

    Though the quality is variable and the adds etc are annoying.
     
  13. The Special One

    The Special One Member+

    Aug 6, 2005
    In all honesty I prefer watching the b team games, more portuguese and very stylish. Watching players like Tiago Sa Helder costa, irui Madeiros and Ivo Rodrigues excites me more than foreigners who I have no affinity with.
     
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  14. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Plus, you get to see the future stars at the beginning. The bad thing is knowing people that have disappeared due to bad luck, injuries or having a blind coach (I guess). Only since the end of last season have I been watching the B's. But, you also get to name drop, as a plus, João Emidio Ferreira (made up name, don't look) is going to be huge. In another Benfica forum someone asked 'is Guedes Benfica?', the response was 'are you', harsh :geek:o_O.
     
  15. The Special One

    The Special One Member+

    Aug 6, 2005
    If Benfica are not going to play the kids then let them go, plenty of clubs overseas have been asking benfica of their availability, look at what happened to Miguel Rosa, quality players but continuously either loaned or put in the B team, when a player is on a growth curve they need to be given opportunities at a high level for the growth curve to continue.
     
  16. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    #716 JoseEmidio, Jul 27, 2014
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2014
    Unfortunately, Benfica structure with JJ is not very conducive to B players. Many players are burnt (confidence wise), with allegations of profit making and agent manipulation. Gomes is one example, he does not have the egotistical nature of a Ronaldo and needs someone to believe in him. Cavaleiro who has done nothing wrong when called to the A side gets 'regulated' this season, Silva gets 30 minutes over three games in the pre season out of position while Luis Felipe who is overweight gets more minutes and Eliseu, also overweight and who is his old darling is bound to get considerable playing time and JJ's flavour of the year Teixeira :thumbsup: gets a boost (he has been playing well). Mourinho was never one to develop youngsters (generally) and JJ seems to only to highlight players not previously highlighted or does so reluctantly. Cancelo should be Maxi's apprentice, Cavaleiro should of been used instead of buying Candeias, Costa has much more potential than Derley and should be integrated slowly, some of this is easy to see, so how come the directors don't see it. Confidence and time on the pitch is important, if you don't get playing time at a higher level you can easily stagnate and lose confidence and momentum. We sold Gomes 100% owned by us for 15 Euros and he was playing below par, FFS! (We sold Garay at a lose!!!).
     
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  17. The Special One

    The Special One Member+

    Aug 6, 2005
    Alot of people are off Andre Gomes and I'm telling all of you that when this guy is playing regular football with confidence he is an absolute animal. I hope he proves me right because he has a very high ceiling
     
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  18. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Sorry for late reply but the chairman of the Netherlands FA also spoke about this yesterday when the new NT manager was presented. He said that "big money has become more decisive in international football" and said that "knowledge can be bought" nowadays, and much more easily transferred.
    http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/will-holland-ever-win-the-wc.2008389/page-6

    I also think it's an advantage when a nucleus originates from the same clubs. Like how Spain has had a Barcelona core (added with Madrid players) and Germany has now a Bayern/Dortmund core too, that know each other for some while. Even Italy in 2006 had a Milan-axis (the Gattuso-Pirlo combination in midfield).
    Things like that are probably out of the question for any country outside the top 5 leagues.
     
  19. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Had his best game for a A side today against Monaco at the Emirates Cup, the fruit of Santos actually believing in him and giving him some games. Moutinho was playing for Monaco and Gomes was as good as him.
     
  20. The Special One

    The Special One Member+

    Aug 6, 2005
    Didn't watch the game but that's very exciting and I hope that Bento was watching.
     
  21. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Our players simply need to play

    João Mario is looking beast for Sporting

    and look at the improvements Andre Martins has made, he's killing it in pre season.
     
  22. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Did not watch but Martins has scored 2 in 2? If he can begin getting some goals consistently, here and there it would make him jump a level or two in anyone estimation. Lets see who Bento calls in September (maybe he will hit his head), Mario was in the 30 selected pre WC as was Gomes. Could easily be a Moutinho/Gomes/Adrien/Mario/Lopes but it won't.
     
  23. The Special One

    The Special One Member+

    Aug 6, 2005
    Andre Martins, Joao Texeira and Ruben Neves have been the revelations of the pre season
     
  24. Chess_Panther

    Chess_Panther Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Porto, Portugal
    #725 Chess_Panther, Aug 3, 2014
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2014
    Sure is. But I am not convinced that it can't work at a certain extent. While investing in a lot of schools and well educated regional coaches is important to mature at a very early stage, I think imposing a licensing system such as in Bundesliga would be a great step toward the future.

    Sporting CP, Benfica and FC Porto have a financial liability that equals the same of all Bundesliga. This is ridiculous for such a small country. And when talented youngsters are wasted due to the nature of a no rules competition then it's important that at least something is done on this regard. I am not even sure that nurturing local talent would be a loss of quality. We have a lot of foreigners (some from obscure origins) that are brought to the league due to shady deals involving agents, sport directors and football agencies. I don't think any of the top clubs are making a real assessment of talent in their youth teams due to this. While they still have money they will continue the formula of buying south americans and hype their price after a good season. This way there's money coming in for the club but also to the board member pockets as well as third parties (e.g.: agents and their minions). If the portuguese league is a stepping stone for many of these young foreign players, then it would only be logical to bet on promising local youth and save a lot of money. William Carvalho got on a high in the international market after a good season in Sporting and a call up to the national team. Ffs, even André Gomes who played poorly got a 15M deal. Portuguese players can be sold just as expensively as foreign ones.

    I think that's fundamentally the 2 main reasons why portuguese league can't improve. The competitive nature of the 3 big clubs (that have most of our youth talent) that knows no boundaries and financial promiscuity in transfers.

    Honestly I don't see this improving anytime soon unless the financial liability keeps rising and dig a bottomless hole to the top clubs. Only then will they take drastic changes and hopefully that will be the moment for the league to come up with new laws rather than giving a tap in the back.

    Granted, we can't copy the mentality that germans are taught from at such an early stage. The "high IQ" we often say to describe their mental attributes. But providing these youngsters regular play in A teams would be a step closer in challenging them. That alone would make a huge difference. We have never provided such foundations to them, although the scenario has been worsening a bit in the past few years.

    I am afraid that I don't know too much about Netherlands to have an opinion about it. But I find it odd that you have good academies, often use local talent and get no outcome out of it. Is this a fair assessment or you have a lot of new young guns coming up?
     

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