Argentina vs Germany: Final Match Game Day Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'World Cup 2014 - Knockout Rounds' started by bungadiri, Jul 11, 2014.

  1. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
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    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    Umm 10, we have 10
     
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  2. Brasitusa

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    May 14, 2014
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    Thanks.

    Well, before going to bed I browsed the Net a bit and got the breaking news that Scolari is out. He resigned, as well as his entire group.

    His balance: 19 victories (including over WC champions Spain, Uruguay, Italy, and France), 4 losses, and 6 draws. One Confederations Cup win. 70 goals for, 26 against.

    Probably a resumé that in any European team would allow him to stay.

    But it's the South American way: you don't win it all, you are out.

    OK, now, 3:10 AM, I'm going to bed for good. Bye.
     
  3. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
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    Dunno many of their teams proved to be not better than rest of the world.

    How many passed group stage and how many entered?
     
  4. Teso Dos Bichos

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    Argentina had 40% possession according to FIFA and only 36% possession according to other sources.

    At least he was taken off shortly afterwards. The same cannot be said for Perreira or Mascherano.
     
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  5. Teso Dos Bichos

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    1. Argentina had significantly less possession than Germany.

    2. The Argentine defence sat deep with two defensive midfield players protecting them at all times. This led to increased German turnovers as they were trying to be positive and attacking but in a congested area.

    3. Argentina had few opportunities but these were high percentage chances due to exploiting space on the break (or from a defensive error).

    4. Romero was not great. Most of the German shots were tamely hit straight at him.
     
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  6. GBTQ

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    Jul 13, 2014
    Thanks for explaining, but LOL, then the Germany goals were not that great neither then, since it all tamely hit straight at Romero, LOL! Gotze goal was great, went sideway to the left, as Romero aim at the right.

    Anyways, till another 4 years. Hopefully we get to see a showdown between Italy vs Germany as they battle for the 5th WC tittle, IF THEY ever cross each others.

    I thought this 2014 WC final was rather slow pace and boring. Be more fun if it was Spain or Italy vs Germany, and Brazil vs. Argentina (let them settle their rivals), LOL!
     
  7. Teso Dos Bichos

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    I have already criticised the German attack re final pass and shooting. I would even criticise Romero for the goal and he left the entire goal open. It was great control by Götze and a decent finish but he had the entire empty goal to aim at.
     
  8. Tukafo

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    Come on, Brasitusa, for weeks you wrote so many posts rubbishing conspiracy theories and the guys with the tin foiled hats who make them and now you're starting yourself? Please, we can't lose you from our rationalist army :)
     
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  9. zahzah

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  10. Teso Dos Bichos

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    Anyone who believes Argentina were better should be sectioned. Argentina were very, very fortunate to progress that far particularly since their put everything on an underperforming Messi.
     
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  11. Teso Dos Bichos

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    It says they got shafted by the officials.
     
  12. Teso Dos Bichos

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    Clean? Really? Mascherano and Aguero should have been sent off in the final.
     
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  13. Teso Dos Bichos

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    How is a series of fortuitous defensive performances and a final when they not only continue their scoreless streak but do not test Neuer possibly attractive football?
     
  14. Teso Dos Bichos

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    Yes and no. Switching to the defensive system strengthened their weakness and weakened their strength.
     
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  15. Teso Dos Bichos

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    The problem with his physique is compounded by the way he plays and the way he throws himself to ground. I'm surprised he has avoided injury particularly when he riles up opponents in that manner.
     
  16. LastBoyscout

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  17. Tukafo

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    You got to be kidding me :) Germany didn't AVOID Italy, Italy had zero chance in this tournament and lost to Costa Rica for crying out loud.
     
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  18. Tukafo

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    Rubbish, Germany did throw Italy out of Euro 1996 in the group phase. The match between them ended 0-0 but Germany topped the group and Italy came third.
     
  19. Tukafo

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    The head to head is not as significant as people think. Germany are always very consistent and reached the last four or better in 12 of the last 16 World Cups. Italy however are very hit and miss and either have a very good World Cup or a disastrous one. Since both Germany and Italy are usually seeded this means that Germany can't actually meet Italy in tournaments that have been disastrous for the Italians and ONLY in tournaments where Italy are top class. Of the last four WCs three have been disastrous for Italy and one has been exceptional. Guess which one was the only tournament of these four where Germany and Italy ended up meeting each other?
    I also can't believe that Italian fans use this day of all days to proclaim their superiority over Germany who came first and third in the last two WCs while Italy crashed out in the group stage of those tournaments. The past is the past. 1934 is 1934. Nothing is more important than the present in sport.
     
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  20. DutchLion

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    Jun 12, 2010
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    Congratulations too our German neighbors
    A hard fought win which nicely complements the other games from Germany in the tournament.
    Overall more then deserved and other nations need to step up to face you in 2018.

    Impressive display from Argentina in the final, you could have won it against the expectations of many.
    "Could have" however means nothing, the Dutch know that all too well. Keep your heads up.
     
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  21. Tukafo

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    So the fact that Germany beat both South American powerhouses Brazil and Argentina in a South American World Cup (something that would have been unthinkable 20 years ago) is purely down to Europe having more participating countries? (In fact the rate of European teams in a World Cup was higher when Brazil and Argentina dominated their tournaments in the past). The fact that Holland beat Brazil and drew with Argentina in South America is not significant? And the fact that Brazil didn't just lose but got utterly destroyed twice by European teams (of which one wasn't even considered among the favourites before the tournament) is something to gloss over? We now had eight of the last nine medalists from Europe. three Euro wins in a row, while in the past the World Cup wins always alternated between Europe and South America (with only Brazil winning twice in a row 1958-1962). You don't think any of these developments are significant? You still think all is as it was and Brazil are the best in the world?
     
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  22. aerez

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    You're completely right in all aspects.

    But it also helps that Europe has money, the economy and a football market that can sustain big market transfers.

    Considering that poaching young talent from South America by European clubs is such a common thing, do you actually think that South American teams, particularly Brazil and Argentina, get any investment out of their players to improve, club and competition so they can compete with the improving European championships.

    Nope.

    It would be nice for Argentina to have the money to spend $1 billion on their league wouldn't it. Instead we have a fat ass corrupt president, whose in line with the corrupt FIFA old guard.

    When your top dog is 83 years old, you know something is wrong in the Fortress.
     
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  23. Tukafo

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    That's an important point you raise. The top European FAs have significantly larger control over their players as most of them play in their respective domestic leagues. So the German FA can work much closer with the German club sides to improve youth football or initiate developments. The South American FAs don't have that luxury since the vast majority of their talent is abroad. ( 606 Brazilian players are registered in the various European leagues, a few more play in Asia etc.).
    On the plus side European top club teams would be significantly weaker without South American top talent.
     
  24. marush

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    Aug 17, 2008

    Maybe it's God's will. Germany has with the style of play of Italy problems. I think Germany plays whatever stupid against Italy.But they also had a lot of bad luck. I think would be the same situations against Argentina or France or something. Germany could have scored a goal or the enemy would have scored no goal.But Germany has played 2 tournament in Italy played 80 and 90, and Germany won both. And 1934. At this time germany was not so good. But they won against the wonder team of austria. The experiences in Italy were fantastic.
     
  25. Wolfie65

    Wolfie65 Member

    Jun 16, 2010
    Albuquerque, NM
    Nothing against Mr. Messi, but calling him the 'best footballer in the world' or the best player of the WC seems a little bit exaggerated.
    I am told that the Brazilian league is a little bit of an operetta type thing, maybe that should be fixed. If they had a league more along the lines of what exists in European countries, their best players wouldn't hightail it to the Olde Worlde as fast as they could.
    Nice to hear that Old Man Brutality is out, hopefully, they can get someone no older than Löw who wants to play the jogo bonito and a cadre of players who are now 17-22.
    No idea why Argentina would get rid of their coach, they didn't do anything wrong, they just lost by 1 goal to a better team, in overtime.
    If it is true that Colombia got the 'fair play' award, that's like lauding gang members for pacifying a neighborhood after they've shot everyone.
     

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