this is totally distorted data ... Khedeira 10? I would never even give Maradona or Pele 10 in their best game ... just because Brazil defense collapsed, it would not make any Germany guy any more than 8.5
I'd agree almost entirely with msioux: Germany: Neuer (8) - Lahm (8), Boateng (6), Hummels (7), Höwedes (7); Khedira (10), Schweinsteiger (8) - Müller (8), Kroos (9), Özil (7) - Klose (8) Subs: Mertesacker (6), Schurrle (9), Draxler (-) Brazil: J.Cesar (3) - Maicon (4), D.Luiz (2), Dante (2), Marcelo (3) - Fernandinho (2), L.Gustavo (4) - Bernard (4), Oscar (5), Hulk (3) - Fred (2) Subs: Paulinho (5), Ramires (4), Willian (5)
The bigger gaps -2 points- in our ratings are for L.Gustavo and Paulinho. I could agree to raise up the grades, one point each. btw, i'd like to know what others posters think about these ratings.
I think Maradona vs England and Belgium are the stronger cases for a 10 in modern era. btw, i remember you rate -in another thread- top overall performances around 8,00 in average (3 or 4 matches), until the latter round.
I would definitely not have Klose 9 > Muller 8. Muller created two goals in addition to scoring one, although he did have a few back touches very early that stopped attacking moves. Overall Klose was not involved enough for me to give him a 9, was that performance really on par with Robben vs Spain, someone else you gave a 9 to? I also don't think Khedira needs a 10. A 10 to me is a one man wrecking crew. This was a total team effort from Germany so I am fine with a few guys getting 9s (Kroos, Khedira, Muller imo) as this was a historic beat down, but not one player stood out enough to me to give a 10.
I am trying to think back now, what other performances to you give a 9 to msioux? I would be interesting to start looking back at the best individual performances in a single game.
Are you rating individual performances or team effort, because the rating of german players is just baffling? Muller 9 for scoring a tap in and so on... Like I said in the other thread, people change their criteria in every match, which will make their relative comparison pointless.
I think it's quite difficult to give Schurrle a 9 on his performance last night. Yes he did have a sublime finish and, in general, he contributed well with his time on the pitch. However, by the time he entered the fray Brazil were a jumbled mess and the match was long gone as a meaningful competition. I understand the old adage - you can only beat what is in front of you - but I would suggest a handicap system has to be considered to take into account the previous sentence above.
Yes, ppl only say that Robben vs Spain was a 9/10 because it was against Spain. He was actually more of a presence against Mexico and Costa Rica, but he didn't score goals and it wasn't Spain. I agree.
yes , if Khedeira got 10 in last game , then Maradona vs England = 15/10? or Pele vs France or Sweden got 12 or 14? I think Neuer would get 8 or higher (8.5 I do not mind) as the best Germany player on that date (like Comme 's rating) For me 8.5 to 9 = scoring and win games on his own 9-10 = win games with an exceptional performance (never seen)
I think are fair comments. btw, I rated both, Klose and Müller with a 9, and Comme both with an 8. But i agree, that overall Klose shouldn't be rated above Müller. In my view, Khedira had not only an awesome match in his destroyer/ball winner role, also he was very active in the build-up, scored one goal and gave a couple of assists/pre assists in only 45 minutes he was on the pitch.
yes and no ... Yes .. obviously the attacker is there to WIN game but ... a GK (like Howard vs Belgium, or Kahn vs Cameroon, or Banks vs Pele) could get 8.5 to 9. Evryone has his own "rating scale" but I just want to remind to keep the scale "SCALEABLE" to others
btw, i don't think that reach a 10/10 performance is so imposible. The difficult thing is doing in the highest stages/scenarios and also facing a strong team. But the real mark of the legends, is that they could make such performances on a regular basis.
I did not disagree ... in fact, I said depending on ONE"s own scale (some are easier than others in rating)
Argentina Romero 8; Zabaleta 8, Garay 7, Demichelis 6, Rojo 6, Perez 7, Mascherano 8, Biglia 6, Lavezzi 6, Messi 7, Higuain 6 Subs: Palacio 5, Aguero 5, Maxi 6 Holland Cilessen 6, Kuyt 6, Vlaar 8, De Vrij 7, Martins Indi 6, Blind 6, De Jong 7, Wijnaldum 6, Sneijder 6, Robben 6, Van Persie 4 Subs: Janmaat 7, Clasie 6, Huntelaar 5
I just see only the first half and the penalty shoot out. So, in this partial analysis, obviously Romero gets a bonus (1 or 2 points) for his two saves in penalties. The best player in the 1st half was Mascherano, imho. And i know he did a miraculous cover (to Robben) in the 2nd half. I also liked Garay, Lavezzi, de Vrij and Sneijder in the 1st half. The lowest was Martins with a 4, continously surpassed, also Blind's fault being his flank.
Mascherano was great. Did not think De Jong had a good impact. When he came off I thought Messi (and Aguero etc.) would run rings around them but strangely the control on midfield improved by getting De Jong off.
I would give Mascherano and Vlaar both 9s, I thought they both put in monumental efforts and played basically mistake free.
This is one of an example of a so called "BIASED" rating (based on BIG names or BIG teams) They tried to "reason" with all kind of STATS, but the rating result is different accordingly??
Revista Placar Semifinal Ratings: http://placar.abril.com.br/materia/tabelao-da-copa-do-mundo-semifinais Golden Ball Awards: http://placar.abril.com.br/materia/com-nota-9-nas-semifinais-muller-assume-lideranca-da-bola-de-ouro 1. Muller - 7,42 - 6 matches 2. Robben - 7,25 - 6 matches 3. James Rodriguez - 7,20 - 5 matches 4. Messi - 7,17 - 6 matches 5. Kroos - 7,08 - 6 matches Muller probably be named the Revista Placar Golden Ball unless Messi has a magistral performance in the Final.