Alert: Next decades Netherlands will be the new Hungary of Europe. Once great, but slipped into mediocrity.

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by DRB300, Sep 3, 2012.

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Will the Netherlands be the new Hungary of Europe? Once great, but slipped into mediocrity?

  1. That's an understatement. It is going to be far worse.

    10.9%
  2. I agree, we will slip into severe mediocrity. Hungary sounds about right.

    5.5%
  3. No, not really, we will be the new Belgium, that so now and then will produce a Hazard through luck.

    20.9%
  4. No, football is a cyclical thing, in a few years we will be as strong as always.

    46.4%
  5. What a ridiculous Poll. Netherlands will even improve over time and finally win the WC.

    16.4%
  1. JC-14

    JC-14 Member+

    Jan 28, 2010
    Amsterdam
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Next world cup Danny Blind is going to be our coach. :ROFLMAO:

    Can't we just give up already?
     
  2. thatkid

    thatkid Member

    Jun 21, 2010
    Netherlands
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Van Ginkel will be back in the Eredivisie in 2 years time. Wasted potential.. Like many.
    While Maher did implode.. He imploded at the right time at the right club. (but I still don't have a lot of faith in Maher)
     
  3. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I am a huge believer in van Ginkel. I think he is the future of the Dutch NT and is the solution for this 1985-1989 gap that exists in our squad. We will lack leadership and professionalism soon and he has that from birth. Very responsible and has Kuyt like mentality almost.

    I don't read Mou's actions as lack of faith in him. He saw van Ginkel at the U21 Euro and wanted him. Maybe he was overly cautious and conservative, but he did pen down van Ginkel on the CL list and not Essien IIRC. Van Ginkel also played vs Basel. I just think van Ginkel was not good enough yet for Chelsea. His passing from deep is nothing to write home about. Pretty uninteresting. The mistake in using van Ginkel was that he barely could make charges to the front (his strength) as Ramires and Lampard used every opportunity to move up so that van Ginkel was forced to sit back and watch "the shop". Then, if he got the ball, nothing happened as he is certainly no Pirlo or even Clasie. He played to his weaknesses a bit and so he never lifted off. Van Ginkel is a Mou player, just not sure he must want that.

    If he had a free choice then he would have gone to Ajax. He is also a victim in this story. I never thought he would be so stupid to go to Chelsea but that happened and then the injury. His recovery has been really fast and at U21 he did not do bad at the end of this season. Bit rusty still.

    Van Ginkel was much younger when he moved from Eredivisie. Afellay moved later I think and when he came in an injury carousel he never had a real foreign career. Van Ginkel with some wise choices can still become a very good player. I hope he looked at de Bruyne and considers a switch to Bundesliga. I think that is a good league for van Ginkel. Actually I heard Wolfsburg wanted him, so who knows.
     
  4. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Hiddink not staying on after the Euros?
     
  5. JC-14

    JC-14 Member+

    Jan 28, 2010
    Amsterdam
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Nope. It's ridiculous but it's a done deal. Hiddink 2 years. And after that Blind. Insane really.
     
  6. Mr.S

    Mr.S Member

    Oct 22, 2011
    Wolfsburg supposedly big 15M odd and he would have played next to Gustavo with Gustavo doing all the dirty work and putting the defensive shift for him with De Bruyne and Perisic would have played ahead of him.

    Schalke and Dortmund are stacked and I don't trust Leverkusen the looser club. There's not too many clubs which can afford 12-15M fee, decent wages and can qualify to play CHL Football which is a must for player development. There is no use going to a club not in the Top 6/7 IMO.

    Maybe Gladback or Wolfsburg are the only club which can do the same.

    Ajax would have been perfect and a dream scenario. Going to Chelsea under Mourinho was way too soon for his age. I hope he did not make the mistake as Ola John. He is essentially in almost the same boat as Ake when he had a break-out season with Vitesse
     
  7. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Blind is still a better manager than 90% of the ones I've seen in this WC.
     
  8. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    I agree we shouldn't look only at the results. I was just saying that reaching the quarter-final in 2014 would be good (the goal of the FA, the semi-final, looked way unrealistic beforehand - btw, why does the FA do this? Don't they want to win trophies? 'Well, semi-final is what we want.').

    I hope that regardless of the result, the FA will still take their planned review seriously.
    http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2698...zorgen-over-niveau-Eredivisie-en-Oranje.dhtml

    I saw Belgium yesterday; I noticed how many of that team can play a proper cross-pass. Kompany, De Bruyne and even the "technically limited" Alderweireld had a few good diagonal cross-passes (I say technically limited because it has been said very often that he ain't as good as Vertonghen or other CBs).
    How many of the Netherlands can play good cross passes? Wijnaldum? I don't think he can. De Vrij has tried a few times this tourney but is 'unlucky' so far.
    Cross passes are hard to do, esp. because it involves risk. Bad cross passes mean the opposition can puncture you immediately.

    De Bruyne is a dude who can both play football and work hard and doesn't tire. He was tireless.

    Netherlands should also ask where the proper strikers are when Van Persie retires. Belgium might not have a world class striker, but Origi can play football as well as some of their alternatives (not Lukaku).

    Btw, I'm not jealous... If Netherlands cannot win Belgium is 2nd best but I think Netherlands should be able to produce those talents too, and become a front-runner in education again...
     
  9. Simmer

    Simmer Member

    Feyenoord
    Netherlands
    Oct 23, 2009
    Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Let's hope he learned a lot from LVG.
     
  10. Antario2

    Antario2 Member

    Jan 29, 2012
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
  11. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    ^^I read the piece today as well. 2010 will always haunt us despite the fact that we did not play nearly as rough as Brazil did the other day against Columbia. I've given up responding to people who call us a thuggish team because of that final match since it's an argument that will never be won.
     
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  12. MrOranjeBal

    MrOranjeBal Member

    Apr 7, 2009
    Club:
    AZ
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    #887 MrOranjeBal, Jul 7, 2014
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2014
    The games before the final were not thuggish. Even the final was a fairly even affair regarding both team's thuggery. But we lost.
     
  13. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Yes, but everyone remembers de Jong's kick out in the beginning of the match and forgets that he settled down and hardly had any infractions called the rest of the way. van Bommel was clearly a different case, lots of fouling by him.
     
  14. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    It talks about the USA specifically.

    Maybe a strange thought but USA has a huge Hispanic population, as well as some considerable European demographic (18% has close German ancestry). The motive is there to not be too harsh on a few of the country names. It will not help to tie eyeballs, create interest, and important sponsors/companies as well.

    Meanwhile, it is in human nature and sports journalism to search for villains. It makes a good story and recurring theme. A country like the Netherlands or Uruguay, without too much weight, fills this need perfectly.

    I'm truly sorry if I say something stupid now.
     
  15. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    De Jong only made 8 fouls in 7 games. That's actually not a lot for a defensive midfielder.

    Sad how one tournament has destroyed a perception. Meanwhile, other 'joyful football' nations have played 'dull' for 30 years.
     
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  16. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
  17. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    The KNVB boss (football association boss) said that "FIFA appeared against us" in the game against Costa Rica and no one of the FIFA, not a single person, congratulated him with the victory.
    http://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=219054

    If true, the refusal to congratulate is very strange.
     
  18. KPSmit

    KPSmit Member

    Nov 26, 2011
    New York
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    So, who wants to play a attacking 433 game if we are to make the final? Didn't seem to work out too well for brazil?
     
  19. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Unlike Brazil's players, ours are tactically aware of where they need to be on the pitch and don't run around with no clue like Marcello (who was just disastrous).
     
  20. KPSmit

    KPSmit Member

    Nov 26, 2011
    New York
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Can't say that Marcelo, even with his awful game, is a worse player than Blind/Kuyt... Not true. David Luiz/Dante. Yeah I would take those two over Vlaar/de Vrij any day. Simply stated, the quality over those Brazilian players is definitely higher than the Dutch defenders.
     
  21. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Athletically maybe but they are really not able to function mentally.
     
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  22. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
  23. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    ^^If Oscar is in the top 10, I don't put much credibility in this. He was really not very good; nor was David Luiz

    EDIT: Wesley Sneijder at 18, WTF??? van Persie and Cillessen were also in the top 30 and Neuer was only 20th
     
  24. Dennis L

    Dennis L New Member

    Jul 10, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Are you saying Cillessen was bad?
     
  25. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord

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