And the real Group of Death was...

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  1. el americano

    el americano Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Jun 9, 2006
    San Francisco
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Group D has a pretty good argument after sending home two former world champions. Both Italy and England had an off year, but Portugal topped them both with an exhausted/injured Ronaldo and a team implosion on day 1. If the criterion is to cause death, I'd say people are less surprised by Portugal and Ghana going home.

    Disclaimer: I was firmly in the Group G camp at the beginning, so I won't object to anyone who is still sure.
     
  2. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Group G
    Group B
    Group D

    In that order.
     
  3. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How good can a group be if Costa Rica is by far the best team? That's not the case in CONCACAF, so I guess that makes The Hex the real Group of Death...
     
  4. judodono

    judodono Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    Bay Area, Ca.
    Club:
    --other--
    My understanding of the group of death is defined as a group where every team is so competitive that each has a high probability of advancing, so much that it's impossible to predict. Going into the final day of group play, each team in our group could still be eliminated or potentially advance. Whereas England was already eliminated before the final game.
     
  5. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    What does being a past World Champion have to do with today, especially a past champion of nearly 50 years ago?

    The past champions reasoning is silly. FIFA rankings said it's G and it played out that way.
     
  6. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was definitely G.

    Up until the last couple of minutes everyone had a chance to advance.

    Toughest group by far.
     
  7. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Italy and England were dreadful. Uruguay were not impressive either. Will be interesting to see how costa rica deals with greeces defense.
     
  8. LandonDonovan2014

    Jun 17, 2014
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    England a surprise being out? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

    England sucks, what does winning a title 50 years ago have to do with anything? And if you are saying England "had an off year"... Not really, them disappointing at the WC is now a trend. They looked pretty meh in our Group in 2010 then got murdered by Germany in the Round of 16.
     
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  9. PremierUSA

    PremierUSA Member

    Sep 2, 2013
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    If I was a prospective team that had to choose between being in Group D or Group G, I'd pick Group D easy. Group G was the group of death. That wasn't just the American media looking for a story.

    And in Group B, you had two teams getting blown out; hardly a group of death.
     
  10. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Group G because we had the highest ranked teams in the world. Every team had a chance of getting out. When you think of Ghana as the weakest link, you should be thinking "THE Group of Death." Also, every team played pretty friggin' well.

    Group B has a pretty good claim. Spain went into this WC with three major championships in a row, plus Netherlands who have only been beat out by Spain. Chile doesn't get too much attention since they're fourth or fifth in CONMEBOL, but we know they're a solid team. Then there's Australia. And then Spain collapsed.
    Definitely not the same level of competition that we had.

    Group D I'd argue was more like Group B. England fell apart, and Italy just weren't themselves. Now, Costa Rica played really, really well. No one else in Group D really did.

    Going into the WC I would have said Group G was the Group of Death, but I would have admitted that USA being in that group colored my opinion. Now that the group games are over, I don't think there can be much doubt.
     
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  11. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Group G was decided on the final day. Group of Death if u ask me

    Group B was an initial Group of Death as it featured the 2 finalists of the last WC and 1 of the best teams in the past 6 years. Though the Dutch flopped at euro 2012 but were SUPREMO in qualifying. Australia was decent but got lit up in recent friendlies. Chile was good. When the Dutch demolished Spain day 1, this Group of Death tag was demolished. Now had that been Australia, then Yes it would have been literally unexplainable.

    Group D. You had 3 nations ranked in the top 10/12 of FIFA rankings but 1 was England who everyone knew would flop sooner or later. 1 nation that failed to get out of the group stage 4 years ago but made the final for euro 2012. They had a team that made it to the semi's last WC and won the last Copa America. Oh and they had the 2nd best team in CONCACAF.
     
  12. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Going by statistics and rankings it should B or D. But B featured the best ranked team flopping. D featured the lowest ranked team in the group advancing in 1st place, first time ever in their history. Group G being decided in the last half hour of the final group stage match. USA wasn't so much underdogs as it hadn't beaten Ghana before in 2 tries. Germany was supreme. Portugal was ineffective but still had the best player in the world. USA had quality players but were underrated in the eyes of the world as we are so often when it comes to soccer and the WC.
     
  13. Ed-D

    Ed-D Member

    Spurs
    United States
    Jun 13, 2005
    NY
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The surprise emergence of Costa Rica made Group D the group of death. Coming into the tournament everybody expected the ticos to just roll over for the three former world champions. Well, it didn't happen. England I think started well and was a little unlucky to not get a point vs Italy. Then Luis Suarez happened, exposing the weakest part of England's team, its defense. But it was really Costa Rica that turned this group into the GoD. They are one of the most consistent and balanced team of the World Cup. There's no reason we can't see them in the semis.
     
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  14. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As bad as I don't want to admit it but I think group B has to be considered the real group of death.
     
  15. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How can you put B or D ahead of G if, "[g]oing by statistics and rankings"?
     
  16. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem with that argument is the order of matches. Take two hypothetical groups that both finished with the point distribution 9-6-3-0. In Case X, the distribution after 2 matches was 6-6-0-0, so every team had advanced or been eliminated by then. In Case Y, the distribution was 6-3-3-0, and nobody had advanced or been eliminated by then. This is possible in this way:

    B defeats C and A defeats D (A- 3, B- 3, C- 0, D- 0)
    A defeats C and D defeats B (A- 6, B- 3, C- 0, D- 3)
    A defeats B and D defeats C (A- 9, B- 3, C- 0, D- 6)

    Team C was alive after 2 matchdays because they could have defeated D, had A defeat B, and advance on a tiebreaker with a 9-3-3-3 distribution. Team A had not clinched advancing after 2 matchdays because they could have lost to B, had D defeat C, and been eliminated on a tiebreaker with a 6-6-6-0 distribution. I think I have those scenarios right.
     
  17. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This.

    Group D
    Group G
    Group B
     
  18. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still Group G...the only group in WC history made up of four teams who were in the last 16 the previous World Cup...

    ...and the only one of the B-D-G triumvirate who had all four teams still alive in minute 75 of Matchday 3.
     
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  19. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    exactly
     
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  20. bmo180

    bmo180 Member+

    Jan 25, 2012
    maybe it had something to do with the climate?
     
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  21. beerslinger23

    beerslinger23 Member+

    Jun 26, 2010
    The same people who are pro-Landon/Anti-Klinsmann are putting forth the idea that any group but G was the group of death. That says it all... They will make any effort to cheapen the efforts of this team and the quality of it's coaching staff. The world does not agree with them. BS does not agree with them and I do not agree with them. If LD was on the 23 I bet it would be the group of death.
     
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  22. tio_sam

    tio_sam Member

    Jul 28, 2009
    Chicago, Illinois, United States
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Group B? No offense but Australia was a joke. So no.

    Group D? Costa Rica beat a Suarez-less Uruguay which again was a joke. They had a great win vs Italy but essentially lucked out playing a defeated England side. To me one hard match vs Italy does not equate "Group of Death". So no.
     
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  23. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    what were the foreign media writing about the Group of Death and the final day of games for Group G? who did they wager would make it out?
     
  24. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know the BBC from the start picked Germany and US to make it out
     
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  25. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The reason they "lucked out" is because they got 6 points off of Uruguay and Italy.

    If we are going to not write off Ghana and a basically Ronaldo less Portugal, don't go writing off Costa Rica's wins.

    Also Australia gave the Netherlands quite the scare, so calling them a "joke"? Don't think so.

    Costa Rica's emergence sent England and Italy home. Good for them.
     
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