Official Fire Jurgen Klinsmann Thread

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by ussoccer97531, May 22, 2014.

  1. The_Dude

    The_Dude Member+

    Aug 21, 2004
    Deal!

    I've spent WAY too much time on BS today - haven't done this in years! Go USA! - you'll just have to trust me that I've lost zero affection for the USMNT regardless of the roster changes.
     
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  2. Lothar is 1

    Lothar is 1 Member+

    Oct 21, 1999
    I;k
    I'd add Portugal in 2002, Poland in 2002, Mexico in 2002, Germany in 2002.

    I'd also add in Slovenia in 2010, Algeria 2010, Ghana 2010

    He's got 5 World Cup goals, which seem like pretty big games against "decent" teams to me, and 6 goals against our heated rivals Mexico, which is just as clutch for a USMNT member.

    He scored in the 2009 Confed Cup Final, the 2011 Gold Cup Final, and essentially scored in the 2013 Gold Cup final (with Shea touching it over the line as it was on its way in)

    But, yes, by all means, please focus on not scoring in 3 games in 2006 as a midfielder...

    Funny how if you suggest McBride was past his prime and didn't belong on the 2006 WC roster no one would agree with you, they'd justify his inclusion on the 2006 roster based off him scoring the only goal in 98 and the goal against Portugal in 2002... and they totally excuse him not scoring a single goal in 2006.

    However, Donovan who played as a creative midfielder in 2 games and right mid in the other gets crapped on endlessly for it.

    BTW for the people who kept pointing out McBride winning head balls for Donovan, in the Czech game, Bobby Convey was our 2nd striker in that game and Claudio Reyna was our #10. Donovan was the Right Flank in that game. I don't know too many teams who plan for the targetman to head the ball outward to the right flank... it's usually dropped down for a second striker or a center mid. If Donovan was getting to those balls at all it credits him for reading the play and getting to the position of it.

    What that further illustrates was Arena's awful last minute gameplan, which had Reyna meant to summon his old creative midfield powers that way too many knee surgeries had long since hampered, and then adjusting at half by taking DMB and moving him from left flank to right back to try and handle the pace of Rosicky and Nedved who were tearing apart our team on the right side.

    How about we give some credit to an excellent Czech Rep side that had Nedved, Rosicky, Koller, Galasek, Poborsky, Jankulowski, Ujfalusi, and Petr Cech, and admit that a pretty damn good team beat us in the game because they were simply better than we were?
     
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  3. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Those are stupid ratings wherever you got them.
     
  4. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    I am saying that he padded his numbers up in the Gold Cup against the minnows. In two toughest matches (two 1:0 wins vs. Costa Rica and vs. Panama), he was no more than average.

    Yes, it was a good assist. Vs. Panama, he just whiffed on a shot at goal line.




    Eh, that was a B-team Gold Cup for most nations, including Costa Rica. They had none of Joel Campbell, Keylor Navas, Bryan Ruiz, Christian Bolanos or Bryan Oviedo. You're just talking nonsense if you think this is the same team.

    Donovan himself chose to stay with the Galaxy instead of going with the team to Europe. Nice try to blame Klinsmann for that.
     
  5. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Can we discuss Sonny Askew and how his brilliance paved the way for all USMNT success that followed him? :cool:
    [Snickers as 90% of the BS crowd googles "Sonny Askew"]
     
  6. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    You know what that means in Texas, right? :cool:

    It's a respectable old lady way of saying "piss off". :ninja:
     
  7. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Props to Sonny for helping being a small light during the Dark Ages of United States Soccer . .

    Sonny has gone on to coach Zach Thornton among many others . . .
     
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  8. The_Dude

    The_Dude Member+

    Aug 21, 2004
    ROTFL

    Goal.com
     
  9. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
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  10. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    In the build up to this match, you can see why US Soccer gave Juergen the contract extension.

    He has that "it" factor that gets people excited. Nothing against Bob or Bruce, but they are not able to control the media and narrative the way Klinsmann has done.
     
  11. The_Dude

    The_Dude Member+

    Aug 21, 2004
    They don't call use scheinheilige to describe him for nothing. :)
     
  12. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So says the consummate historical revisionist, now banned from N and A . . .:)
     
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  13. Lothar is 1

    Lothar is 1 Member+

    Oct 21, 1999
    LMFAO... minnows like Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama... ?

    Mexico perennially escapes the Round of 16 at the World Cup
    Costa Rica won the Group of Champions and has gotten to the Round of 16 in 2 of their 3 World Cup appearances.

    He also scored against Italy and Brazil at the Confed Cup...

    He can only score against the teams he was called up to play. Klinsmann wouldn't call him up for the games against European teams so he didn't get to play them... that's not on Donovan, that's on Klinsmann.

    He whiffed on the shot, but he got enough of it to direct it on goal, and it was going in.

    You can discredit that, but Maradona's 2 goals against England in 86 were a punched ball and an own goal as the defender slid the ball away from him into the back of the net...

    Dempsey's goal against Portugal was off his belly, does that not count? Gotze's goal against Ghana was a whif on the head and it hit off his knee and in, does that not count?

    There are ugly goals... but they occur because players with clutch finishing find a way.

    LMFAO, the games in Europe were over the late fall and winter when MLS was out (or rather when the Galaxy were out)... Donovan didn't chose not to go, Klinsmann didn't take him, then called him into the camp after the matches to go to Brazil with them.

    The LA Galaxy were eliminated in two games Nov 1 and Nov 7. The Austria and Scotland games were Nov 3 and Nov 7. The Austria and Scotland games were Nov 15 and Nov 19.

    The Ukraine match in March featured nearly all European based players.

    Howard - Everton
    Onyewu - QPR
    Castillo Substituted - Tiujuana
    Johnson - Moenchengladbach
    Cameron - Stoke
    Brooks - Hertha
    Jones Substituted - Besiktas
    Klještan Substituted - Anderlecht
    Bedoya Substituted - Nantes
    Dempsey 84' - Seattle
    Altidore Substituted - Sunderland

    Jóhannsson Substituted for Klještan 63' - AZ
    Shea Substituted for E. Castillo 63' - Barnsley
    Williams Substituted for J. Jones 80' - Reading
    Agudelo Substituted for Altidore 85' - Utrecht
    Boyd Substituted for Bedoya 90' - Rapid Wien
    Morales - Ingolstadt
    Guzan - Aston Villa
    Spector - Birmingham City
    Packwood - Birmingham City

    So yeah, there were 2 MLS players both from Seattle, and the entire rest of the squad was European based, or a Mexican league player.

    Then Klinsmann made these disturbing comments at the end:


    “If you don’t have your main group together—and it’s a mix between MLS players, European players and Mexican players—then there’s a bit of drop in quality.”

    A bit of drop in quality to have a mix of MLS players, European players, and Mexican players?!?!?!?!

    That's the very nature of our player pool. Those are his feelings on it. A very condescending disgusted view of the talent on our team.

    That's one of the main reasons to fire him... way aside from Donovan.

    However, I put his comments in bold for two reasons.

    He said "when we don't have our main group together"... Who was our main group? Those were our players he was using. I put in bold people who are on his World Cup roster. If he felt that the main group was not there... why did he take so many of them to the World Cup, then? 8 out of the 11 who started in Ukraine are on the World Cup squad. If there was an obvious drop in quality, and we looked so bad, why is it that so many of them made the World Cup after playing in that game with such a terrible performance? The guys he cut from that game were the guys on the bench or his really late game subs.

    So our main guys were Bradley, Zusi, Besler, and DMB? Ridiculous...

    What you saw here, was when we had a big match, Klinsmann favored European based players, and saw the players who weren't playing in Europe as a drop in quality.

    That's where Donovan gets cut. Not for his performance on the field, but for Klinsmann's disdain for Donovan staying in MLS and not going to Europe to play... and perhaps a bit of personal vendetta for the Bayern situation.
     
  14. Fernandont Scorres

    Jun 26, 2011
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    Still not happy I assume.
     
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  16. el americano

    el americano Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Jun 9, 2006
    San Francisco
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Darn it! It's going to be so tough to fire him now. ;-)
     
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  17. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mixed feelings which will soon turn into only positive feelings, but I have no idea why Klinsmann didn't bring in a forward and didn't use his last sub when players were gassed and we may have needed the goal.
     
  18. domericon

    domericon Member

    Jun 24, 2014
    Munich
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Pretty sure at this point you guys could win the worldcup and people would be like "yeah whatever, we won the cup, but with donovan we would have won it better, get rid of that klinsmann clown already".
    It's rather hilarious.
     
  19. sXeWesley

    sXeWesley Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why doesn't anyone blame Donovan at all for not being there?

    WTF must he have done or said to get himself left off? Whatever it is he certainly bares some of the blame.

    No matter now anyone still complaining about Jurgen is just unwilling to admit they were wrong in the first place.
     
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  20. Lothar is 1

    Lothar is 1 Member+

    Oct 21, 1999
    Nah... so ecstatic with the loss... Best loss ever!
     
  21. whill4

    whill4 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 11, 2011
    Returning Video Tapes
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Close this thread
     
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  22. EmpedoxFCB

    EmpedoxFCB Member

    Apr 20, 2009
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The smartest post in this thread.
     
  23. sXeWesley

    sXeWesley Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do it.
     
  24. baretta

    baretta New Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Why would we bring on a forward? We were AT LEAST two goals away in the POR-GAH game from needing to score in our game, and our players were not that gassed. You don't make subs just to make them. The only player I was concerned about in the last 10 mins was Jones, and Klinsmann pulled him aside at 85 to ensure he didn't get another card...
     
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  25. baretta

    baretta New Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Ditto
     

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