Ecuador en Brasil 2014

Discussion in 'Ecuador - National Team' started by barcelonista1981, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    if liga could afford him im sure f.e.f could and that is true he only uses one natural forward in this case it would be enner paired up with a player like sornoza, cevallos to play be find him and act as a striker
     
  2. lav92

    lav92 Member

    Jun 16, 2010
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Pretty sure Bauza is married to an Ecuadorian so maybe that influences him to coach our NT. It all comes down to Chiriboga, unfortunately.
     
  3. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
  4. scarface234

    scarface234 Member

    Jun 11, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    OMG I was reading this on Twitter, I had to see it to believe it. What process are they talking about? We have no process, our team is playing like Chile under Claudio Borghi, scared! We need something new here, not Rueda to continue. This is only going to lead us to another failure at qualifying like we did with LFS in 2010 after losing three matches straight. I don't see us getting any better until Rueda starts playing creative football and really "renovating" our team liek he claims with Chirbolas that they are doing. Imo I think A Valencia should take some time off until he gets back in shape, I never imagined that this would be such a terrible presentation for Valencia,I expected more from Valencia along with a lot of others and wtf he didn't even put Martinez on the field once, why did he call him up then? He could have added so much creativity to the games we played. This is not good, not good at all.
     
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  5. Jefe Esco

    Jefe Esco Member

    Sep 7, 2010
    Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
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    Chiriboga just doesn't get it
     
  6. scarface234

    scarface234 Member

    Jun 11, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Actually did Martinez even get subbed on once? I was looking forward to Martinez being exposed internationally, what a disappointment this World Cup. I just can't believe it. Where was A. Valencia?? This is absolutely insane how we went from being the fourth best CONMEBOL national team in front of Chile last year to being the first one eliminated with sub par performances from our star players. I'm not even watching this World CUp anymore, I'm just so disappointed that we only proved all the bandwagon fans what they were saying right before the tournement : that we didn't belong there.
     
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  7. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Venezuela would have done a better job than us.....
     
  8. scarface234

    scarface234 Member

    Jun 11, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Agreed, they play with more balls than us. That's what pisses me off so much, wtf is Rueda doing? Stop using 4-4-2, it only works in Quito, we need creativity outside of Quito, thats why we only scrape by with ties in other South American venues during qualifiers. But one thing that does surprise me is how stupid Ecuador haters are claiming that our first round exit is an indicator of how we can't play outside of altitude. I'd like to ask how? How is that the case if we've actually gotten points in World Cup tournements at least? Are people really this stupid?
     
  9. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I think we should hire the Bulgarian from Univision.
     
  10. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I have never believed in 8 year cycles, specially in Ecuador, Bolillo and LFS were not able to handle it, look I don't think Rueda is a bad coach, I really don't but I do think the best has already passed, It's gonna be hard for Rueda to replace the players hes been with for four years, If Rueda stays we will see Walter Ayovi or Bagui in that left back when we should star polishing a player to take that role, same with Castillo, Caicedo, Montero and Tony Valencia.

    Most importantly, I see Rueda as a good coach even great coach for smaller teams, teams that need to steal wins by standing firm in the back and "throw a prayer" up front, I am not saying we are World class team, but I would like to try a new identity, unlike most here I dont think our quality of players are as good that can rival our continents top teams, but I would like a coach that would push them as far as possible and then more, it might not bring success, projects fail all the time, but at least let's try it.
     
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  11. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Hristo Stoichkov?? he complains about been too defensive yet his team's best World Cup 1994 was all about defense, strong fouling and long balls towards him and Kostadinov, their defender Letchkov was an angel for them during that World Cup, he just talks a lot of sh*t tbh, If we are to get a new coach look no further than Bauza, Fossatti, Inzua or Aguninaga.
     
  12. scarface234

    scarface234 Member

    Jun 11, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    That's what I mean, rememebr Chile during Borghi's cycle? They were a bunch of nobodies that played in European football clubs, look at them now, amazing team all around, that's what a good coach does, transform their players and bring them confidence. Chile and COlombia are perfect examples of that. Let's also recall CHile before Bielsa, they were God awful even with talents like Chupete Suazo, el Matador Salas, Valdivia, they just couldn't gel together as a team never mind defeat strong international opponents. Chile went from a team that would lose 6-1 to Argentina and Brazil to a team that played with enough balls that they would control a match when they had to. This is all thanks to Sampaoli and Bielsa , that's the type of motivator we need.
     
  13. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    This must be a sick joke by futbolecuador.com. You must be ********ing kidding me right?! EVERYONE can see that Rueda sucks as a coach! Who in their right mind would hire such an idiot? Or ever worst, resign him?! Did FEF not see he put ACHILIER in??... A freaking DEFENDER when we had to win! Makes the critical change of taking out Naboa who struggled the while game TWO MINUTES BEFORE THE GAME WAS OVER?!

    Seriously, if he is resigned again there better be huge protest and Rueda and Chiriboga dragged out from the FEF by the public in Ecuador. They shouldn't even be allowed to enter Ecuador coming back from Brazil. What a disgrace. It's crazy how that punk Chiriboga is able to maintain power. What is there to do?! What is the process of kicking him out of FEF? He needs to go along with Rueda!
     
  14. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I'm going to record and upload the commentary of the Univision up on YouTube and share it with as many players and people I can. So everyone can hear how stupid Rueda's decision where in the game. What an embarrassment and a disgrace Rueda and Chiriboga are to the Ecuadorian futbol.
     
  15. colombo

    colombo Member

    Jul 25, 2006
  16. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    we should put it on all the ecuador soccer pages players twitters youtbes everything i wish someone had chiribogas email or other contact information and that someone out there like commentators mentioned the horrible job he is doing as president
     
  17. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    and i hope it is a joke by futbolecuador.com i haven't seen that on other websites
     
  18. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Seriously... anyone know how to get in contact with FEF? Send Chiriboga an email or contact him?
     
  19. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Now that the World Cup is over for us I can't think of a better time to evaluate the 4 year cycle of Rueda and our performance in the World cup, look, unlike most Ecuadorians I will not bring out the torches and pitch forks, but I will say one thing, The World cup proved 2 things and proved them clearly, Rueda is a limited coach, he did make us strong at home but we already were that, his attributes always came with a "but" Although I am grateful for qualifying us and he did have us playing great futbol at some point, but now I wonder, at what extend is it all his fault, should we not look at our roster and it's lack of depth? examples,
    1)Jayro Campos and Morantes injuries demonstrated that we did not have another decent fullback in all of our country, Guagua, Achilier, Checa, Narvaes and more all show potential and temporary fixes but not a real solution, Rueda and Ecuador failed to come up with a solid defender.
    2) We all knew about Montero's level falling rapidly and not a thing was done, was a 60% Montero a better option than Arroyo or Fidel (whom by the way never really impressed me) This was all on Rueda.
    3) Castillo's injury revealed our worst fear, no defensive mid, Alex Bolanos, Pedro Quinonez were given a fair shot, Gruezo and Minda were the ones that got to play, but believe me Castillo's absence was felt, again we failed to have a decent back up.
    4)Felipe Caicedo had no business being a starter in any of the World Cup teams but our horrible selection of forwards gave us no option but to use him,
    After an elimination, there's always a million things to judge, but when you put it all on a scale, Campos' injury, Chuchos death and Castillo's last minute injury add Rueda's limitations really turned this World Cup and uphill battle for us,
    If Rueda is staying he'll have more work than ever and I hope Chiribga demands of him a change in attitude.
     
  20. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    If there ever was a time to take out the pitch forks... the time is now. Rueda has played the same uncreative, boring, defensive game the whole time he was here. He ISN"T GOING TO CHANGE. Who cares about the misfortunes that happened to us?! That is the past! Its pure lame excuses.
    We have enough talent to fight it out and not punk out in a game. Did you NOT see that we played to TIE on a game where we needed to win? Did you not see us lose in the first game because of the SAME tactics Rueda implemented?! There was NO fight, No technique, and NO creativity. If we didn't have Ener's talent we wouldn't have scored at all in the World Cup! He had to do pretty much EVERYTHING himself! Why? Because we had NO creativity in the middle. No one to go with him and help him out. There was NO passing at all. Naboa couldn't put a dangerous ball for the forward even if his life depended on it. Caicedo was basically missing the whole World Cup. It was like Ener was playing all by himself up top. I don't blame it on the players much though because this is HOW RUEDA PLAYS! He is a MEDIOCRE COACH. He won't change no matter HOW LONG he is in charge. He will be a failure always and will drag us down with him.
     
  21. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Please elaborate on that, because we can make a list of all the Swiss players and french players on their national teams and compare them to ours, I mean I totally agree with us needing a change, I have mentioned the coached who I think will benefit our cause, look if you all want to blame everything on Rueda go ahead, keep thinking our players were victims of a system unworthy of them, if you all ask me had Noboa scored that wide open shot he had like 80% of the World Cup players would have, we'd be praising the defensive way we stood, but no, instead he threw it half way to the corner flag, Did Arroyo not have a nice shot too? How many times did Montero blow it on the left wing? These things are not Rueda's fault,
    Truth is, 90% of the squads advancing to the round of 16th have a deep roster theres an exception or two, but our players have to take a big chucnk of responsability, Antonio Valencia was non existent, Noboa had 20 decent minutes in 3 games, late on coverage, giving space, Caicedo was not able to receive, hold and turn not even once,
    Honduras beat us in every single highball dispute, Gruezo and Erazo poor covering against the swiis, Guagua not being able to header a ball the right direction specially when headers are his specialty. these were not coach's wrong system or formation, These World Cup demonstrated that our roster as our coach is limited.
    I do not think we can nail our elimination towards one single reason, Coach's mistake, weak roster, Antonio Valencia, Chuchos death, Castillo's absences are all reasons of our elimination, but unlike most I hold our players responsible as much as our coach.
     
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  22. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    We didn't even bother making variantes during our friendlies, everybody knew that our only attacking outlets were Montero, whom every time he was near the ball he had 2 guys near him and Valencia who was utter crap. Does anybody remember seeing any shots from outside the box? Other than Noboa's attempt? Switzerland knew they had to win and they went for it, and tbh I didn't care if we lost, but at least went there to attack.
     
  23. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    rueda showed little to no effort to change when we needed it most we cant get to the next level with average coaches from small team rueda did do some thing right but we cant expect different results with the same coach new ideas and rebuilding the team along with starting a b team is very needed a style of play with constant pressure attack strong defense and a strong mid is needed rueda left a decent team behind (if he leaves) and it time for some one to build on it a coach who takes advantage of friendlies players having good moments and youth a lot of us where looking forward to the change that can happen after rueda i know i am that line up threw out a while back is interesting all players who are part of ruedas the squad or got his attention but never really tested tbh when would rueda throw out a line up like this in a friendly a young (with exceptions of valencia and erazo) UN-experimented squad with mixed starters/subs/youth
    bone
    paredes, narvaez, erazo, ramirez
    ibarra, valencia, gruezo, montero
    penilla, fidel
    subs cevallos for valencia gonzales for montero and de jesus for fidel
    last time rueda experimented was the game versus a team from the 4th division brasil those where all players he had in mind to come of the bench and would never use that line up or the players in those positions well most of them at least
     
  24. scarface234

    scarface234 Member

    Jun 11, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Yea Switzerland knew they had to win, but they faced the weakest team in the tournament Honduras....Judging on how they played against France they aren't all what they're hyped up to be, A french team that towards the second half had Giroud and a good portion of France's starters couldn't getthrough us and we actually did attack after the red card on Valencia so all in all it wasn't a complete failure, and it's not as if we weren't trying to attack. We also have to remember that this French team has a difficult defense to crack.
     
  25. scarface234

    scarface234 Member

    Jun 11, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I agree we need a non-Colombian coach, Eduardo Lara, Pinto, Suarez, Alvarez, Bollilo Gomez, Rueda are all from the same school of COlombian football tactics that Maturano had in mind during the 90s, we need to adapt to the faster rate of football that most South American teams have shown. Look at how COlombia changed up their style with a non-Colombian coach, look at the technique and flair they have now, and lets not forget alot of their players that are playing in this World Cup were the same players that failed to qualify to South Africa, so we're not lacking the talent, we have the potential, but we're lackign creativity, confidence and that killer instinct to finish off plays. I disagree with whoever said that Switzerland was a more complete squad than us, they're an overrated team that Ecuador gave too much respect to, lets be honest besides the game versus Honduras, Switzerland were utter trash I don't care what anyone tells me, I hope they lose versus Argentina 5-0.
     
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