Health Care Reform Part III: The Implementation.

You didn't answer my question... How are you going to get towards universal coverage without some kind of redistribution?

 

By stop treating health care as prepaid healthcare and making health insurance a free market commodity. But ObamaCare goes in the opposite direction, so that solution is off the table.

I have to work within the idiotic confines you guys impose.

 

Funny things happen when you don't consider facts..

https://m.facebook.com/SenatorTedCruz/posts/517779935000978

 

Wait, what? Um, yes, I agree, the law prevents this so without the law she would have acted differently. QED.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/30/john-barrasso-obamacare_n_5059054.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

@Falc ! I was wrong all along! You were right!

 

I love this:

"...We know that some of the best cancer hospitals in the country want very little to do with people that actually buy this insurance on the Obamacare exchanges."​

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Wow.

 

I have a feeling this is gonna come up, so let me launch a preemptive strike.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dr...es-are-going-next-year-its-nothing-panic-over

So if Obamacare causes the premiums to go up, say, 9%, that's a success, not a failure.

 

Open your mind!

 

Well, but Veefish claims he was promised they'd go down...

 

What were rate increases the three years previous?

 

Do you know how to google?

 

Regardless of which side of the ACA you are on, that statement is wrong. Very, very wrong. We simply do not know what happens in todays economy with a free market healthcare system. We do know the third party payer system that ACA was specifically designed to save is a cluster frick though.

When was the last time we saw a free market in regards toUS healthcare or insurerers? Pre- ACA healthcare insurers had regionally protected areas which made for a de-facto monopoly in those regions since competition was restrcicted. Restricted competition is not a free market.

 

Google is the internet wing of Obama's propaganda office.

 

This seems like data cherry-picking to me. Rate increases fluctuate all over the place. I think that for it to be a success, it would stay even with inflation, or about 3-5%.

It does seem likely that a lot of insurance companies would increase rates and blame it on Obama. They've been threatening that for years.

Here's a PBS article that seems a little more even-keeled.

 

I think it would be more difficult to make healthcare a true free market than single-payer. Just an opinion, and not advocating either way here.

 

You can't completely deregulate the provider side. Unless you're a strict libertarian, which most of us aren't.

However, you CAN lighten regulation a huge amount...let nurses and PAs do more, for example. Change patent regs on prescription drugs. And a real big one...get regulation of the supply of doctors out of the hands of doctors.

Of course, the GOPs oppose any moves by Dems to do that. Because GOPs are whores for the rich.
Seriously, any time you see the GOPs doing something that is against what they purport to be their philosophy, ask yourself, if the GOP philosophy is to side with the 1% in class warfare, does this action make sense?

At that point, GOP positions on issues cease to be contradictory.

 

In the US, that's true. But there are places where the healthcare system is market-based. Guatemala, for example, has a completely market-based system and while the care itself is generally good (if you can afford it) most people can't afford it. And so there are huge segments of the population that have little or no access. While it's true that Guatemala is a much, much poorer country than the USA it's not in any way a system that we should be trying to emulate.

 

If health insurance were a completely "free market commodity" why would they insure the sick?

 

1. Welcome back!!! Where ya been?
2. I always respond to this critique with the Socratic method.

Q. Compared to the rest of the developed world, how does the US' health care system rate?
A. It is arguably the worst, and inarguably among the worst when you consider outcomes and cost.
Q. Compared to the rest of the developed world, is the US' health care system more or less free market than is the norm?
A. The US' system is more free market than the norm.
Q. So how likely is it that there's a correlation for the US between MORE free market and WORST system, but that the US would improve by becoming even more free market oriented?
A. It is very unlikely, and the burden of proof really should be on those arguing that the problem with the US healthcare system is that it's not free market enough.

 

http://wonkwire.rollcall.com/2014/03/31/obamacare-top-7-million/

http://wonkwire.rollcall.com/2014/03/31/obamacare-enrollment-numbers-higher-forecast/

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na...Iu37JKuJgjLR2JGA&_hsmi=12358435#axzz2xX3mFqtq

http://acasignups.net/

It's a link dump. Deal with it. You can intuit that since today's the last day of enrollment what the links are showing, and since I'm posting it, you can intuit what the news bodes for the law.

 

Besides, it is kind of stupid to try to do things in a different way when the best solution has already been achieved (Single Payer or very close to it). But, hey, that is the American way!

 

But how many of them have paid? huh?
How many of them are healthy under 30 y.o.? huh? huh?
How many are really newly insured people? huh? huh? huh?
How much will the premiums rise in 2015? huh? huh? huh? huh?

Bet you can't answer those questions. ACA is a debacle and we will see the law repealed or collapse shortly.