This is what I think is wrong.

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by AguiluchoMerengue, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. 4door

    4door Member+

    Mar 7, 2006
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What does that have to do with anything? You think an American player is different because he has Salvadoran ancestry instead of another nationality?

    What can we learn from a soccer nation that has never won anything?
     
  2. revsrock

    revsrock Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    Boston Ma
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe I missed it but I have not seen on racist personal attack.
     
  3. AguiluchoMerengue

    Oct 4, 2008
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I have been mistreated by other mods in the past, I'm not accussing you of racism.

    I do believe is your job to give warnings to those who insulted me, did you do that?

    I have tried very hard not to retaliate but Im just tired of being a punching bag you know, some of these people are going too far.
     
  4. AguiluchoMerengue

    Oct 4, 2008
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    What can you learn from Hugo Perez?
     
  5. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    You have a right to not be insulted?

    You actively make yourself the punching bag.
     
  6. MLSinCleveland

    MLSinCleveland Member+

    Oct 12, 2006
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    AM has already admitted as such. His claim (based on jumping to conclusions, in my opinion) is that the mods are favoring other posters over him due to his race/ethnicity.

    By the way, given the anonymity of internet message boards, how can one even be certain that everyone else in a discussion is of a given race (in this case, white)?
     
  7. 4door

    4door Member+

    Mar 7, 2006
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You don't endlessly bring up Hugo Perez, you bring up El Salvador and streetball 'studs'. Perez was a good player for us, he wasn't world class. I'm not sure what we can learn from him as far as US soccer as a whole. If you have something to say about Hugo Perez and how his game can directly impact soccer in the USA then make that statement. You haven't made that yet. You talk about El Salvador like its Brazil when they've done nothing.
     
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  8. AguiluchoMerengue

    Oct 4, 2008
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Well, you do the math.

    A lot of latin american users used to get banned everyday from bigsoccer.

    Those Asians that run bigsoccer must hate latin americans then.
     
  9. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Citation?

    BS is hosted in Canada, I believe.
     
  10. AguiluchoMerengue

    Oct 4, 2008
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    So do you think that the fact that Flores has Salvadoran parents has nothing to do with his style of playing? Interesting.
     
  11. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The same thing we can learn from Hristo Stoitchkov. Namely--not much.

    Bulgaria is small, poor country where soccer is the #1 sport and there are always plenty of young guys out on the streets playing streetball. It has a history of far more success at the World Cup than El Salvador, in that it qualified more than twice, and the 94 team which featured Stoitchkov made it all the way to the semi-finals, a truly great accomplishment.

    It didn't add up to much, though. Bulgaria has failed to qualify for several WCs and several Euro Cups in a row. Their best domestic clubs aren't even that competitive in the Europa League. And from what our friends and family there tell us, the youth development in the country is in a shambles.

    The globe is full of small, poor countries where soccer is the #1 sport and the streets are full of kids and young people playing the beautiful game. That sort of thing isn't the key to success in soccer, it's just the raw material--a soccer culture in which the largest possible pool of possible players develop basic ball control skills and a love of the game. Once in awhile, these countries will produce a special player. In the long run, though, they'll never be anything but a flash in the pan until they put resources (financial and otherwise) into serious player development.
     
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  12. MLSinCleveland

    MLSinCleveland Member+

    Oct 12, 2006
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #6987 MLSinCleveland, Feb 20, 2014
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    Seems like banning Latinos en masse from a soccer board would be bad for business.
     
  13. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Point of order--pointing out that you are poor at making arugments isn't a personal attack. As demonstrated above; it's simply describing reality.

    I didn't talk about his "style of play". I talked about his development as a player. He played for one of the travel clubs here in Northern VA.

    He grew up in Manassas, which means he has been around a lot of Salvadorans and certainly played a lot of pickup with friends and family. That certainly had something to do with his development. Most of the kids my son plays pickup with are either Hispanic or African. Nobody is denying that playing street soccer HELPS. That's not the issue. The point is that playing in the streets gives you an opportunity to get more touches, AND the opportunity to try new things without pressure and to develop your own style. But that doesn't make you a great soccer player; it takes training and development--and STRUCTURE--to do that.
     
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  14. MLSinCleveland

    MLSinCleveland Member+

    Oct 12, 2006
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Depends on how much he learned the game from his parents as opposed to from his youth coaches.
     
  15. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This was a poor answer. TTFN.
     
  16. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Doing "math" usually requires one to have actual "numbers".

    I've been a moderator for years, in many different forums, which means I have to check in with the Moderators-Only forum (don't bother looking--you don't have access) on a regular basis. If there any truth, AT ALL, to this claim, I would know about it.

    Weren't you just complaining about racism?
     
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  17. revsrock

    revsrock Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    Boston Ma
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How do you know who is asian?
     
  18. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They do their math in the street, instead of packing it in with 10 statisticians behind the ball like in the English Maths League.
     
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  19. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Y'all know you can't bludgeon trolls to death, right? You have to cut off their oxygen supply.
     
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  20. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    So now you want proof of claims made? Care to apply that standard to yourself?
     
  21. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Disgraceful that he even asks.

    After all, you know you could be a great agent. You may not have been an agent to a single pro in your entire life, but you know you have the ability. You don't have to go round asking players to be their agent. With your talent, they'll call you.
     
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  22. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How can we forget?

    "YOU ARE NOT ASIAN! Only Persian. Go you to Europe just like Turkey!"
     
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  23. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's the racegoat (get it ?) ... just claim it or blame it on white, and it isn't racist ... and clearly it's true.
     
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  24. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Drop your keyboard and walk. Epic win.
     
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  25. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The analogy I've heard is that developing soccer players (any sport, really) is like building an army. It's about numbers and money. All other things being equal, a large, wealthy country will do a better job.
     
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