Totally agree on your entire first paragraph. And I also agree with what I bolded in the second paragraph. The part in red I can agree with too, but since I'm a proponent of the FIFA Club World Cup I'd prefer playing the KO stage during the late half of the year so that the final is in October or November, close to when the champion has to play in the FIFA event. What @pibe10 has been arguing is the turnover of squad players in June/July and clubs losing key players from the early rounds to when they have to play semis. I understand his argument and it makes sense. What I do not agree with (nor do you given your suggestions that I bolded) is that he wants the Libertadores to be held from start to finish within a six month period - either January-June or July-December - so that teams have the same squad from start to finish. I say it's impossible to hold the tournament within six months in its current format, especially if you want CONMEBOL to work around the schedules of the South American domestic leagues. If you switch it so that CONMEBOL lists the dates of when the rounds will be played, and the domestic leagues schedule around that, then it's more doable to organize the Libertadores within a six month time frame.
encuesta RECIENTE: la propia organización de la Copa Libertadores realizó una encuesta a través de su cuenta de Twitter. Allí, consultó a sus seguidores quiénes serían los equipos con más posibilidades de ser campeón, y la gente dio su veredicto. 12 equipos picaron en punta. Vélez Sarsfield (Argentina), Newells Old Boys (Argentina), Atlético Nacional (Colombia), Emelec (Ecuador), San Lorenzo (Argentina), Universidad de Chile (Chile), Peñarol (Uruguay), Cruzeiro (Brasil), Nacional (Uruguay), Universitario (Perú), Santa Fe (Colombia) y Botafogo (Brasil) fueron los elegidos.
It depends. What game do you want to attend?(obviously you'll find info in the website of the home team).
Real Garcilaso disputará sus compromisos en Huancayo - http://www.conmebol.com/es/content/real-garcilaso-disputara-sus-compromisos-en-huancayo Huancayo is a long way from Cusco. They won't have much home support.
If you remember back to 2006, there was a 2 month break between the first leg and second leg of the quarter finals... My beloved River played Libertad in El Monumental in May, then again in July with completely different teams as many had left both sides. CONMEBOL is the definition of incompetence.
Uninterested or not, I'm all too glad to see Brazilian clubs win the Libertadores. But Atl.-MG's defeat against Raja Casablanca was a fatality - and the team was by no means "uninterested."
But your team was the 14th seed that year, with 3 wins and 3 losses in the group stage. I'm not saying this to provoke you in any way, but if your team finished 14th, it was unimpressive in the group stages. How much of a difference would roster changes have made? The World Cup gap is a problem, but it affects all teams. My São Paulo went no farther than the semifinals in 2010 (Internacional advanced to the finals and won the tournament - and with a new manager arriving during the World Cup break, Celso Roth, I might add) with essentially the same roster than defeated Cruzeiro 6-0 on aggregate in the quarterfinals before the World Cup.
Pretty fair argument to say they were uninterested especially if you take a look at how Cuca was looking for another club.
Cuca wasn't on the field. The starting XI were. Many things went wrong, but they weren't uninterested.
That's how they looked on the field. With Dinho strolling around, Jo being useless, and a midfield meltdown in the last 20. The Mexicans had a better showing in the end. Que vergonha.
They were nervous and Raja played like they had nothing to lose. And yes, Cuca's head was already on his other job. This situation was very similar to Joel Santana when he was in charge of Fla and got the South Africa job. In his final game, we ended up laying an egg to America at home.
Jo came very close to scoring early on. Had he done so, who knows what would have happened. Easy to talk about "vergonha" but few actually get to compete at the FIFA Club World Cup. Whatever country you're from, it's not as if your country has sent anybody there lately, "uninterested" or not.
I'm not against the Brazilian teams winning it. I just hope whoever goes this time gets to the final and the very least puts up a fight. Whether it's Cruzeiro, Ñuls, Gremio or Vélez.
How can you justify a two month break in between games of the same series by saying one team was the 14 seed. What does that half to do with anything? \ And roster changes made a big difference. One of the tournament's top scorers "Rolfi" Monetenegro was gone from River by the time we played the second leg in Asuncion... Also things like form make a difference... And I wasn't saying it was just certain teams that get affected, I was just making the point of how absurd a 2 month break is in general, but at least now they do it between quarters and semis and not in between games of the same series. You don't need to make everything an Argentina vs. Brazil debate... The culprit are likes of Leoz, it has nothing to do with nationality...
Pesimo lo de Nacional. Sin juego y con errores infantiles llamativos. Tiene laburo de sobra Pelusso con estos jugadores.
1a fase, ida: Oriente Petrolero(BOL) 1 Nacional de Montevideo(URU) 0 Gol de Gualberto Mojica. Morelia(MÉJ) 2 Independiente de Santa Fe(COL) 1 Goles de Héctor Mancilla(M), Armando Zamorano(M) y Omar Pérez(I).
I'm not "justifying" the two-month break. I don't disagree that a gap of 8 weeks or so does play a role. But if it affected CARP in 2006 and SPFC in 2010, it also affects other teams. Besides, until the people running the show at CONMEBOL make drastic changes, what can either we fans or the teams really do about it? I mentioned the fact that CARP was the 14th seed to illustrate that at least statistically, on the group stage level, it wasn't that impressive. Now of course, when the knockout stages begin, it's something else altogether. CARP did well to reach the semifinals. But even if your point that Rolfi's absence made a difference, let's not take away credit from the rugged Libertad side which finished #6 in the group stage and which faced the 2-month gap just as CARP did. Finally, I'm not making this a Brazil vs. Argentina thing. In 2014, I wouldn't be surprised if it's mostly Brazilian and Argentine teams that get past the quarterfinals of the Libertadores - and once again, the two-month gap will take place, for better or for worse.
Well it just seems to me you always try and make things into a Brazil-Argentina debate, but whatever.... Like I said, it affected both teams in 2006, just as it did in 2010, and will in 2014. Lets not forget even this past season, the Libertadores was delayed for the confederations cup, arguably the most pointless and useless competition in world football. Its simple for me. Make it the same format as the champions league, begin the tournament in august and have it end in May. This means no breaks for international touraments, and it allows plenty of time for domestic competitions in all the countries of the region. And if this Libertadores is decided by Brazil-Argentina, I'll be supporting Mineiro for Ronaldinho, I don't want any of these Argentine teams win the copa libertadores, especially not san lorenzo. I'd like to see U de Chile win it, they're a big club who has never won it and its been time for them for a while now...