Shutdown!

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Caesar, Sep 30, 2013.

  1. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
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    Guilty as charged. :oops:
     
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  2. Crimen y Castigo

    May 18, 2004
    OakTown
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    Los Angeles
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    United States
    Just binned about 30 posts - re: racial / name-calling nonsense.
    No warnings or cards yet. Please knock it off.

    Cheers.
     
  3. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    Never heard of the guy but reading that he sounds an absolute twat...
     
  4. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    Chicago Fire
    Who says this is a "do nothing" Congress?
     
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  5. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    And he sounds to me like he is responding to twattiness. Diff'rent strokes, I guess
     
  6. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

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    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
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    Just sounds to me like he's lucky that neither he nor anybody he knows seems to be directly affected by the shutdown. Meanwhile around here businesses near national parks are dying without the tourist dollars, a guy I know who works at a Bass Pro Shops in Newport News Virginia said business has ground to a halt as they've lost most of their government employee business, and my brother's sale of his house is indefinitely delayed because the people buying it were going to be using some kind of federal loan. And I would guess most of us are increasingly hearing stories of unforeseen fallout as time goes on.
     
  7. LocoGueroFutobolista

    Apr 18, 2004
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    Chicago Fire
    You didn't differentiate between routine health care and emergency health care. Thyroid disease? No treatment (which is very, very cheap). Heart attack or stroke caused by thyroid disease? Treatment (which is not).
     
  8. LocoGueroFutobolista

    Apr 18, 2004
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    Chicago Fire
    #883 LocoGueroFutobolista, Oct 14, 2013
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    The exclusion of ag and domestic workers was the racist South's idea, not his. "Blue Dog" Democrtas routinely used race to keep all members of the working class from acquiring basic human rights. Looking back on the health care fight, they still do - but hey, they are "better" than any Republican, right? Right?

    Yes, FDR was a saint.
     
  9. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
    You didn't tell me why FDR compared well to Obama on matters of internment or meddling with the judiciary yet.
     
  10. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Ni rajan ni prestan el hacha.
     
  11. LocoGueroFutobolista

    Apr 18, 2004
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    Chicago Fire
    He didn't intend to jail them forever, unlike Obama. In fact, he let many serve. Have any Gitmo prisoners enlisted yet? You know, the ones that Bush Obama's torturing? Let me know when they have.
    Meddling with the judiciary? You mean being able to appoint judges to overcome the fascists who were already on the bench? Good for him.
     
  12. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    Maybe he doesn't need to inter people if he can simply have all their, (and everyone else's), communications monitored?

    Dunno about the judiciary though.
     
  13. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Democracy, thus, only applies when it suits your needs. Cool.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Procedures_Reform_Bill_of_1937

    It's called "court-packing." Roosevelt didn't like that the SCOTUS was overturning parts of the New Deal, so he threatened to put as many as 7 new justices on the court of his choosing (ratified by the Senate, but it had 80 Democrats in it so not a big problem). If it sounds familiar, it's what dictatorial Presidents in Latin America do when the courts interfere with their policies.
     
  14. LocoGueroFutobolista

    Apr 18, 2004
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    Chicago Fire
    The Supreme Court was overturning his pro-worker policies, so he increased the number of judges, then appointed judges.
     
  15. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
    No, he didn't. The Court-Packing scheme failed because the public turned against it. What on earth have you been reading...
     
  16. Footer Phooter

    Jul 23, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    I know of multiple families that now have both parents on unpaid leave (contractors, not Feds). While they can probably get by for a few weeks, it really starts to put a strain on people's finances if they're without a paycheck for a while. It's going to affect local businesses, change vacation plans, reduce holiday spending, etc..
     
  17. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Senate nears deal on shutdown and debt ceiling

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/10/senators-near-deal-on-gop-surrender.html

    Instead of taking advantage of the IT failures of Obamacare implementation to hammer the issue, it looks like Republicans will have wasted 3 weeks doing the one thing that would undermine the effectiveness of this attack.
     
  18. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    Chicago Fire
    Interesting conclusion...

    The Senate, which seems desperate to get this over with, will probably pass anything Reid and McConnell can agree on. The House ... well, the House is always nutty, but Republicans seem to have lost a lot of their fighting spirit. So the main question that remains is whether Republicans will be angry enough to skin Boehner alive.​

     
  19. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    CA Boca Juniors
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    I was at downtown Oakland on Friday and had lunch at the food court area that's next to Frank Ogawa Plaza and the federal buildings that are located there. The place was eerily empty, all the lunch places, sandwich shops, taco stands, coffee shops, that usually are heavily patronized by federal workers.

    I can imagine that if this goes on much longer, and unless they get a break on the rent, some of these small businesses are going to start disappearing.
     
  20. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
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    But that's the point. The Federal workers will eventually get back pay for the time they were furloughed, so their pain is temporary, the real goal is to make the little people hurt.
     
  21. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
    Yes, and we all know how little they've become lately...

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

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    Sorry to post so long, but there are two more. The 20% GOP ID affiliation is the lowest since Gallup began reporting it here in 2004. They haven't been under 40% in a year with leaners, either.

    GOP really is the little man, now. And once big business leaves them (it may not, but I like to think they'll come to their senses), they won't even have the money to astroturf any more.
     
  22. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    CA Boca Juniors
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    Argentina
    On the other hand, changing the name to KenyanMuslimTerrorist Care Act seemed to significantly boost its disapproval rating. :D
     
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  23. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
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    #898 ratdog, Oct 14, 2013
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    As I've said before, I'd love for them to have tested "Romneycare" to see if/how that changed anything.
     
  24. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
    In the doghouse
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Business won't leave the GOP. They may turn viciously against their little creation, the Tea Party. I can certainly see that happening. Assuming they're intelligent enough to have learned the danger of playing with fire by letting extremists of any kind have a sniff of real power (and, sadly, even that much intelligence is not guaranteed among the current crop of MBA-addled corporate masters), however, they'll just pump money into moderate Reeps. And center-right Dems.
     
  25. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

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    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    Yeah, I take a commuter bus 5 days a week to the San Francisco Civic Center which is very near where I work, and I've noticed the buses have a lot fewer people than usual the last couple weeks. And haven't seen a woman I've gotten to know who works for the federal courts right there, I'm guessing she's temporarily laid off.
     

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