Real Madrid vs Atlético de Madrid | La Liga | Match day 7 | 09/28/13 | 22:00 (Local)

I'm trying to watch this garbage over again to have a closer look, and it's even worse the second time. The team was completely outmatched.

I think a few things need to happen:

1) Khedira to the bench. He should at the very least not be an automatic starter. He doesn't have the quality.

2) Morata to share time with Benz. MOrata looked very lively coming on. Benz is quality, but he has not been aggressive enough. His 100% effort needs to be given, not in how much he runs, but in how aggressive he is and how much urgency he has.

3) Arbeloa, regardless of how much everyone likes him, must sit on the bench behind Carvajal. He is simply not good enough and he destroys every attack

4) Varane must come in, Pepe/Ramos should fight it out for the 2nd CB spot, probably going to Ramos.

With these 4 changes, I think the team would be much better going forward.

A lineup of:

Carvajal --Varane -- RAmos --CArvajal
--------------Illara/CAsemiro-----------
-------Isco-----------Modric----------
Bale ---------------------Ronaldo-------
---------Benz/Morata----------------

I would feel more comfortable with that team getting the majority of starts until they learn how to play as a team. Play a 4-3-3, or if you really want to go with a 4-4-2, then sit Benz and go with Bale/Ronaldo up top.

 

Is that Coentrao as a LB?

 

Yes , I see it . I think we should be fail in order ancelotti look back his faul . yes illara is doing decent but in fact in match with alectico madric , he has 6 tackles more than any players of real . Where is kedira ? He only had 2 tackles ball in that match . that 's why we can't win the midfiler zone . Did kedira do best to help defend with below players . While illara be fight lonely with gabi , thaigo , two muscle midfielder of alectico . I only feel laugh hard why we can't control midfielder zone . We blame for illara but in fact kedira also has mistake . Kedira never track back to help below players defend while with his health , we can recover more ball . That 's why we were pushed above . Problem of illara is lack exprerience and confident . We should let him more time . I will really like if illara play with modric . If we compare with modric , it will be more safe . Of course kedira can't control game better than kedira . He is also ready for tracking back to help his team . I think we would be better if ancelotti let illara play with modric . Illara is recovering his defending skills .Because ancelotti is afraid alectico , we failed before them .


Another problem , I don't really like ancelotti let kedira build our playing way . He don't many creativity , we are really mess while illara must be protect before 2 Cbs and not be allowed to push up too much . That 's why we can't defend well and attack well

 

Real have to build from a loss like this. They have to without question. If the side are strong enough, they'll come out even stronger from this game. I have no doubts they will, tactically, physically and mentally. This side have to do away with any old Mourinho antics still. That guy winded up this side in more ways imaginable. This side is still in transition period. Meaning it'll take a little more time till everything is in place. Whatever happened before must be forgotten. This match shouldn't because it's just too important, everything went wrong here.

Next game is against Copenhagen. This is where it rebuilds. This where Bale introduces himself to Real. Bale can be similar to Ronaldo now, the signs are beginning to show. Everything positive must be picked upon. Negatives must be worked on and not be overlooked.

With this game, midfield didn't stick. Khedira was inefficient. Illaramendi is thrown into the wrong situation even though he hasn't played enough before this. Modric is dropped for whatever reason. Di Maria was picked off because he is (now) assured of place in the side (apparently). Ronaldo is still friends with Mourinho (not kidding). Benzema is still friends with Mourinho (not kidding). Isco needs time to develop. Coentrao shouldn't miss Mourinho (no kidding). If anyone mentions Mourinho, it should be the door for them. Anyone mentions a crisis should be shown the door too. That is the assessment of the match itself.

Real must look ahead positively. They deserved to lose and not a single apology should every be made from a loss like this from any manager.

Reintegrate and focus. Marcelo is nearing full fitness, Alonso will be back fit next week eventually. The side have to be chirpy. Altetico are one of Europe's finest side's, this loss may seem bad but Atletico aren't. Defensively it can get a whole lot better, two defensive midfielders always must look to tackle and stay ahead of their defenders.

Let's rewind shall we. Ball stuck around but to put it mildly, Atletico could be one of the finest sides without the ball.

I am not worried about the reintegration of this side. Sure Altetico stretched Real but it's just the beginning of the season. The side have come of a bad season for sure, I can blame Real only to a certain extent here. So as I see it, only way to think of it as it's early and alarm bells aren't ringing just yet.

 

Ancelotti is clueless.

I saw Khedira on the right wing a few occasions, failing to give crosses most of the time. Illarra and Khedira are not a good couple (yet) and didn't provide the necessary service Ronaldo, Benzema, Di Maria/Bale needed. This formation makes our full backs leave wide gaps, causing trouble and too much pressure on Ramos and Pepe. The subs in the second half were a sign of being desperate.

It's been 3 months but he is still experimenting. We played only 1 solid league match and that was against Bilbao. Why change the system while the previous one was good enough? We are still most dangerous in counter attacks. Fact. But last night we couldn't create 1 real chance, other than Benzema's 2 headers and youngster Morata's chances in the second half. Morata deserves his spot for the next match IMO, worked harder than Benzema did in a whole match and had some important chances. Selling Ozil - the one that creates chances but doesn't score goals apparently! - was missed. Him creating goalscoring chances would have made our game so much easier.

I don't think he will be the coach by the end of the season if he continues with being stubborn like this.
Whatever he's doing, it's wrong but we'll see what happens.

 

s7 kru : yes because they are couple who are exchanged each other 's quality . So kedira and illara will not be good if kedira is not ready to track back to defend . I think if ancelotti let kedira play with deep lying role to fight with gabi and thiago in that match with aletico and illara play higher . It will be better . Anyone know gabi , thiago are muscle midfielder .

 

For the next game (at least) the fullbacks stay back and defend. While the likes of Khedira and Modric go forward. This shouldn't make the pitch narrow. While Ronaldo, who certainly needs the pass, can't go on like this trying to be the show all the time, you pass to him and he passes back. A simple pass is sometimes is all that is needed on his side. I don't understand why Khedira has to cross the ball, he's not good at it anyway. He stays back to defend that is what he really capable of doing, his on ball skills are not good it finally has proven to be the case.

Wingers are (usually) trying to be the kingpins against a defense. What Atletico did was they just narrowed the pitch and didn't allow the wingers to operate. This is why I think Benzema should be playing a lot better, so it actually eases the pressure off none other the wingers.

If there ever was a set of players to blame, it would be Arbeloa, Di Maria, Ronaldo and Coentrao for this match. The rest at least tried. Khedira, Modric and Ramos the pick of the lot. Altetico at the same time, were too tough to do anything against. Juanfran, Courtois, Godin and Costa were fantastic.

It would be best to keep Arbeloa away, Coentrao too and maybe bring in Varane now. Di Maria maybe safe for now but Bale is prowling.

 

yes we must prepare well to fight with Copenhagen . That team looks like rather well when juventus can't win them . I think lessons from losing alectico will help us in match with Copenhagen . Yes all of players of real still is friends with mourinho from cr7 , kedira , concentrao , benzema . Even illara also is friend with mourinho although they have not been met yet . All of players of real seem to suit with 4-2-3-1 of mourinho

 

yes we should bring cravajal or marcelo again . Every we have one of two people , our opponents of defend will be tired with their wings .

 

Ronaldo comes back and has to play a lot better than this. He is the main outlet if anything now. While Khedira is definitely suited to attacking, while his defending can take a hit on it seems. Coentrao needs to move on it seems now, I can't see him playing for a while after this.

The team saw enough of the ball, it was just stubborn defending from Atletico.

 

I fail to comprehend this.How the heck is he suitable for attacking?The dude has shit ball control,can't put in a decent cross,has mediocre passing ability.

 

It's also clear that our new midfield lacks leadership...Having Alonso return will help reestablish some kind of order. Our guys seem to be out of position a lot....although this is also because we are a new team essentially.

The Khedira bashing is too easy in my opinion. We haven't been playing badly because of his sole performance. Everyone knows he isn't the most technically gifted player. We know what his characteristics are...it's a matter of using him in the right role.

 

I hear what you're saying....but I don't think anyone can deny that this team needs a "cool head" and someone to direct things in the middle. Alonso is the only one to provide that kind of leadership in our squad. Varane's presence isn't as vital as that in my opinion. Throwing a Varane or an Ozil into today's game wouldn't have changed that much... The problem was with the Khedira - Illara - Modric axis... and a lazy striker.

 

Khedira was better than the rest, don't be pessimistic. He had the ball much more than Ronaldo did, or even Benzema who was just bored with the occasion.

I would advise to practice greatly on off the ball action, as half the time (or at least well drilled opposition) will see themselves without the ball. Good counterattacking play can start as well as good defensive drills should now be put into place. Real had enough of the ball but Atletico just didn't want it. Real were also not as effective with the ball, so to put things into perspective, Real should cut it out with everything and just start practicing out passing a lot more. Also just stopping the opposition with the ball.

 

Basically, this.

I for one is starting to lose faith in Ancelotti.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/ed...lottis-madrid-lacking-direction-?ICID=HP_BN_3

 

The fact that he had more possession than the others was an Atleti strategy, no one ever covers Khedira, he's useless with the ball. Why run after him?

He wasn't bad over all, just commenting re: screamingfields statement above.

 

Illaramendi and Khedira could be a lot more useful later on but for now they haven't even played together before.

Instead of a new strategy, let's consistently evolve the old one. It's the way to go but Real just shouldn't be as alarmed with everything just yet.