Ecuador- WC Qualifiers BRAZIL 2014/Eliminatorias

Discussion in 'Ecuador - National Team' started by b9d23m89, Sep 7, 2011.

  1. viagoal

    viagoal Member

    Jan 5, 2005
    #401 viagoal, Sep 2, 2013
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2013
    Valencia at right wing vs. Colombia would be great!
    4-4-1
    Dominguez
    Valencia, Achiller, Erazo, Ayovi
    Ibarra, Noboa, Castillo, Montero
    Mendez
    Guerron
     
  2. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    That line up is kind of what Barcelona from Spain do lol. I like it. A bunch of midfield players. Except they have Messi, and our "Messi" like player Benitez is gone forever =( Would be awesome to see that line up except with Benitez instead of Mendez.

    I agree that Mendez should start. We didn't call anyone else that can do the same ball distribution as he does.

    If we can pass the ball efficiently and precise, I think we can get out with at least a tie. We just need the defense to hold but I doubt it. That's our big weakness.
     
  3. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    #403 b9d23m89, Sep 2, 2013
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2013
    Well right now it's a toss up between Saritama and Mendez IMO for who's going to start. With Mendez we gain everything that you mentioned- possession being the most important. He's a guy with experience who knows how to play these games, but we gotta also remember that we could possibly be giving up space for Colombia to create danger through the middle. Mendez isn't horrible at marking, but he doesn't contribute or participate in it like he used to in his prime....his age weighs in on him and he's not physically capable anymore of attacking and helping pressure/defend/steal/intercept. With Saritama, we may not have much possession, but we have someone on the field that is going to work like a dog. Whether his effort ends up being successful or not is another story. But I think as far as handling the pace of the game and going up and down the field to pressure, attack, and defend, he's definitely capable of doing it. I guess it depends on how Rueda should approach this game...more aggressively by starting Mendez, or more balanced w/ Saritama and later including Mendez to allow Ecuador to have the ball more at the end of the game and get Colombia desperate? Either way, we will be sacrificing something with either player. And I say this mostly because of the huge gaps I saw Noboa and Castillo (especially him) leave in the game vs. Argentina in Quito. We can't afford giving away any space. I guess that's why I'd start w/ Saritama to make the mid more tight and reduce spaces.

    We always got Montero and Valencia on the counter, but by starting Saritama I think we could eventually make Colombia fall into the trap of becoming desperate and inpatient if we maintain an organized attitude in our defense and our center mid.
     
  4. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
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  5. viagoal

    viagoal Member

    Jan 5, 2005
    #405 viagoal, Sep 12, 2013
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2013
    Dominguez
    Paredes, Campos, Erazo^, Ayovi
    Ibarra Noboa^ Montero
    *****Valencia
    Joao, Caicedo^ (Fidel)
     
  6. \^the king^/

    \^the king^/ Member

    Jul 4, 2007
    wherevr da action @
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    You guys can say all you want about this seleccion but I for one feel blessed that ever since I started watching futbol this passionately (since 2000, in our first qualified eliminatorias) Ecuador has always been a strong contender. I was 10 at the time and my father now tells me stories on how we were never even close to qualifying except for once before that 2002 world cup. It's been a big leap so it seems, and I am proud, because albeit we have our ups and downs we haven't withered away as terribly as teams like Peru, Bolivia, and now even Paraguay after our golden age. We made a transition of an entire squad and have managed to keep being competitive. But let's not forget we are not by any means a 1 teir team, we don't have the right to expect to be amazing every game, we are years away from earning that. We have come to expect great things from our teams and that's fine, because we do have the talent, and some of the resources, but we still lack that heart of a true champion, these guys seriously lack garra. Holy shit it's unbelievable how many times the nerves eat these men up, penalties missed, leads away from home blown in minutes, and defensive blunders that make you cringe. The thing we lack is mostly confidence at this point, for example what happened to all our outside shooting? We used to see 30 yards screamers from this team in Quito plenty of times. We pack the midfield and usually control it, Valencia, mendeZ, and Castillo all have heavy foots, so idk what's really happening there.
    Anyway on another note, I do really want to believe Ecuador will beat Uruguay but damn, Bolillo, LFS, and vizuete couldn't even do it when the team was actually in good form!
     
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  7. Lucho Gutierrez

    May 29, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Well Ecuador did beat Uruguay 4-0 in 1998 andif its any consolation Uruguay got spanked 4-1 in La Paz and 4-0 in Bogota, so we definitely know that altitude has affected them badly these qualifiers.
     
  8. \^the king^/

    \^the king^/ Member

    Jul 4, 2007
    wherevr da action @
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Yea but like I read here before from another poster, "Uruguay eats pressure for breakfast" they really do perform so much better with their backs against the wall.
     
  9. Lucho Gutierrez

    May 29, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    To be honest with you, Uruguay defeated us last qualifiers 2-1 in QUito not because they played amazing and we sucked, it was because the plays that they got-which were limited btw- they knew how to capitalize. Ecuador on the other hand attacked and attacked and just couldn't get the ball into the back of the net, we were very much lacking efficiency in goal however we played our hearts out more than Uruguay which made it unfair that we lost. I disagree that Uruguay beat us fairly last game, as much of us have seen Uruguay gets very suspicious penalties and advantages when they play against Ecuador, Peru and other smaller teams. I would blame our loss on bad refereeing but also on bad finishing on part of our forwards. Now, with that in mind we should be prepared to whoop Uruguay's ass to prevent getting bullshit calls against us by the referee especially if it's another Mr' Salvio Fagundes, so that we can avoid getting tied 1-1 or losing by a b.s last minute call on penalty. Rueda has to call the right guys up and prepare them properly so that we can consummate the result and have ourselves the 3rd place slot, taking into consideration if CHile loses against Colombia. I just hope that these guys give a great last minute performance in Quito because as we've seen when we played at home these qualifiers we were the strongest even when we had our backs against the wall losing or tying the game. Let's recall when Paredes scored the own goal against Chile we were down 1-0, then when we tied the game we fought for the 2-1. Then, Paraguay scored that lucky corner pocket shot on us, down 1-0, we started attacking like crazy until finally we scored and started pushing more forward again for the 2-1. Lastly, we did tie, however when we played against Argentina we were also down 1-0 in the first 5 minutes, but lets recall that in the 11 or 12th minute we levelled the game after we started attacking and gaining more momentum in the game. Anything's possible but one thing is for sure these qualifiers we have been solid in Quito and that's something no one can take away from us, and hopefully won't be taken away from us by Uruguay. Let's pray boys, let's hope for the best. I live in Canada and I damn well am looking forward to get smashed that Thanksgiving weekend if we defeat Uruguay!
     
  10. Lucho Gutierrez

    May 29, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Honestly last qualifiers when we lost in Quito against Uruguay, we could blame ourselves in part for that. We had more attacking plays than Uruguay but couldn't capitalize on them, let's just hope that this time the refereeing is more neutral and that we net as many of our oppurtunities as possible. We were our own enemy, Uruguay capitalized on their few attacking plays and that's why they won. However, I don't care what Argentinefutbol says, because he obviously always likes to put the wool over people's eyes, that game was lost unfairly due to a stupid penalty as well, seeing as Peru also mentioned that recently I think it is a little too coincidental that this happened to them as well and against the same opponent. Bad refereeing has to be stopped, but we also have to get our heads into the game and defend our leads and consummate our plays as much as possible. If anything we should try goleando Uruguay so we could prevent bullshit last minute penalties that could tie the game or defeat us. But I guess we should be positive, we showed a fighting spirirt all the times that we had our backs against the wall in Quito right? These qualifiers we were more consistent playing at home than in 2010. Let's recall that we were losing 1-0 to CHile on an own goal by Paredes but as soon as we were losingpulled our weights and started pushing for the tie and then the 2-1. Samething against Paraguay when we were losing 1-0 at the 11th minute, we went into gear and started looking for the tie and then the 2-1 until we found it . Lastly, yes we did tie against Argentina, however, after the 5minute penalty we did push for the tie until we found it 5 minutes later and then we kept looking for the win after that. So, I guess we should have some optimism for this game, Uruguay should be worried looking at our home track record, not us.
     
  11. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    You believe whatever the F**K you want. Live in Lala Land but You are right. Bad refereeing should be stop. Maybe this clear penalty should have been Called. Go ahead And tell everyone here, its not a penalty:

     
  12. lav92

    lav92 Member

    Jun 16, 2010
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    It was Suarez aka the boy who cried wolf.
     
  13. Lucho Gutierrez

    May 29, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I don't really care for your biased B.S but try to prove me that this wasn't a clear penalty not called in our favour, that's the bias that clowns like this referee represent in qualifying matches between Uruguay and Ecuador and then Uruguayans wonder why a lot of people have no respect for their football team in South America. So believe what ever the ******** you want trolo , go lvie in your lala land where every penalty that referee doesn't call for Ecuador is legitimate...
     
  14. Lucho Gutierrez

    May 29, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Also, forgot to mention you should do a replay of the clear foul that was made on Chucho right before the counter attack before the Brazilian referee called a last minute penalty for Uruguay in Quito . Look up the foul and tell me the fact that he didn't give Ecuador a penalty wasn't biased ... JACKASSS, GO BACK TO YOUR PADDED ROOM.
     
  15. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Before warnings get tossed around...CHECK THE LANGUAGE. civility, or at least respectful aggression.
     
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  16. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    The qualifiers are nearing the finish line and emotions are high. I'm going to ask that the trolling stop. And don't feed the trolls either.
     
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  17. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I didn't say that wasn't a Penalty you GIL! We were talking about the 2-1 Uruguayan Victory in Quito and your crying. Got smoked? Shut you up on that didn't I. Its done. Get over it! If you want penalties not called for Ecuador. Hell, We will be here all day!. But at the same time, I can show all the goals missed by Ecuador, Which you still cry about. You cry when calls are missed and you cry when player miss goals, you cry on first and last minutes goals, you cry when coaches make mistakes. Keep Crying. The Marvelous Ecuadorian football fan. Different generation, Same thing. Anytime you have to rely on ONE call by the ref than you are DONE! and have no business being there.
     
  18. Lucho Gutierrez

    May 29, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    You we're pointing out how the penalty wasn't called for Uruguay in QUito and I just pointed out two scenarios where we faced the same opponent-Uruguay- and two clear penalties weren't called in our favour,however they were called for Uruguay. Uruguay is a great team on paper, but they're also known for being corrupt when it comes to the second half of qualfying in South AMerica. You don't call it a corrupt football team and refereeing when you have Uruguayan players breaking Peruvian players' noses and slide tackling dangerously and no red cards are given. But then that ugly piece of shit Luis SUarez dives and starts pretending to have a seizure on the ground and the ref immediately calls penalty?? You're clearly in denial if you think that's just us being crybabies. But, then again you're an Argentine you never have to worry about B.S calls against you guys because you guys are the heavyweights. Ecuador, Colombia, Peru, Venezuela, Chile, Bolivia and Paraguay have to worry about those bullshit calls though..
     
  19. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Colombia can win on its own merits, dude...so can Chile. Both teams have done exceptionally well. As for Ecuador and all the rest- if we can't put in our chances and grind out our results at home, we can't blame the one PK that was never blown, but we do need to look at all our errors and work to correct them. Ecuador has dominated a lot of games, but has not been able to score- we have lacked precision and sadly, the "sangre fria", when the pressure is truly on. I'll be the first to call that the referee was not good in that game, and I think we really do need to lobby for outside and less biased referees to pitar CONMEBOL's eliminatorias, but damn, Uruguay is a team that has 2x been down and out and found a way to come back from the dead? Corruption in the process? I'd hope not, but they are a caliber team with some subversive elements that occasionally fake or exaggerate...why don't we do the same thing?! We need to beat them with skill and goals, period- The old school way.

    Let's now just think about the best 11 in Quito to face an Uruguay that has not lost in Quito for over a decade....startling statistic!
     
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  20. Lucho Gutierrez

    May 29, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    We shouldn't downplay Ecuador either though because we played amazing 2012 till March 2013 great off our own merits and no one can take that away from us, while Chile was struggling and almost faced not qualifying had they not pulled their socks up. Now we need to pull our socks up just like they did. Also, whether you like it or not, Chile and COlombia still get shafted on B.s calls against teams like Argentina and Uruguay all the time , they're in the same boat as us. The only teams that always have a referee assured to give them a call I n favour of them are Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay.
     
  21. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    The point is that IF we play the way we're supposed to and can be as deadly as those other teams, then we don't have to rely on calls. Had we scored on the dozen or so chances we had on Argentina, we wouldn't be complaining about an undeserved tie, and the same goes for the game against Peru, and a few others....we just need to score, plain and simple.

    Complaining about refereeing is old news, and it's an international problem beyond CONMEBOL, and we all know it. Until something is done to bring in impartial refs, we just have to go out, go HAM, and play to win- score in bunches, keep a tight defense, and make sure the goalkeeping is good, too. Essentially, we need to have a winner's mentality with the result to back it up.

    The way Brazil is playing, I'm sure they're not relying on refereeing calls. And as for Argentina, same thing...both teams play with confidence, have swag in bunches wherever they go, and as for Uruguay, they just have garra...if we can play like them, we'll be tight.
     
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  22. viagoal

    viagoal Member

    Jan 5, 2005

    ^Agree
     
  23. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    #423 Luigi408, Sep 17, 2013
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2013
    Right now this is my starting line up that I like.

    Goalies: Banguerra (Dominguez is out, not a fan of either)

    Defense: Paredes (A. Valencia) (Played well this weekend), Campos (Might be healthy finally!), Erazo (IMO best player in defense the past two NT games), Ayovi (Needs replacement sooner than I thought)

    Midfield: Ibarra (I like him better than Valencia at RW at this point), A. Valencia (Naboa) (Can interchange with Ibarra in the attack and played really good with ManU in this position last week), M. Arroyo (Played great this weekend in this position for his team, great outside shot), Montero (Ecuador's best player).

    Forwards: Martinez (Our best goal scorer outside of Ecuador at this time and consistent, has being playing great behind the main FW in Xolos), Caicedo (He need to step it up and get healthy quick, his performance is suffering because he gets no playing time in Russia, and might lose his spot soon IMO)

    We can play a 4-4-1-1 (defensive) that turns into a 4-4-2 (offensive). Martinez has being playing great and scored goals while playing as a FW in Xolos, NOT as a wing or midfield player. He is the answer we need up front at this time.

    Also, it seems like we don't have a defensive help from the midfield with this lineup but we do. Valencia's last game he played great in this position at attacking AND defending. His quickness is great at covering counter attack from the mid. He has also stopped making dumb fouls.

    Bench: Marlon De Jesus (played well this weekend, nice assist, has the possibility to replace Caicedo), Ramirez (time to get this LB on the NT to replace and learn from Ayovi), Corozo (keep calling him, great talent)... *Other players that are actually performing great in their clubs!

    I think this squad can kick major butt.
     
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  24. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    #424 b9d23m89, Sep 17, 2013
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2013

    Not a bad line up. You got the players right, just missing someone who can recover and the formation doesn't fit for Arroyo to play. Here's the thing- Arroyo should play IMO, but in a 4-4-2 you don't want him to play a central role in positions where he's forced to recover b/c he's not the best at ball recovery. He doesn't always effectively help out recovering. What you do want is a line up similar to what Rueda made in Colombia and the EXACT position that Mendez played...with two guys behind him doing the recovery so he has the liberty he needs to do what he wants in the middle. You add Valencia in positions of ball recovery and attack (he has to do an ida y vuelta consistently) and then Arroyo right next to him? That's asking for disaster. Valencia isn't that great at ball recovery either, not b/c he doesn't do it but because he's prone to commit fouls especially if it's his main responsibility. Valencia would have to play next to a Castillo or Noboa for this line up to work effectively. and for Arroyo to be in the line up it's a 4-4-1-1 or a 4-2-3-1. In Barcelona Arroyo has Gruezo and Matias Oyola/Vargas behind up. No responsibilities w/ recovering. He's slowly learning this position and is doing it effectively. By the end of the campeonato he should be able to feel right about 100% comfortable with the position. I remember months ago we stated that Arroyo had all the qualities to play that position. I think Manolo and I mentioned it. Good thing Soler picked up on it and actually experimented w/ it. And it's working out.

    At this point it's either Arroyo or Fidel. Fidel for a 4-4-2; Arroyo for a 4-2-3-1. IMO Fidel is another player that could learn how to play that central role, pero es mas un delantero por afuera. Fidel easily plays a 4-4-2 like he did with Riasco in Tijuana the last two seasons, but we'll have to see how he works in a more central role. What I do know is that Arroyo is doing it now and he's the only guys besides Mendez that can do that who is actually on our roster for the NT. There's a few others like Miller Bolanos or Junior Sornoza that can do it. Alex Colon, as well. They can do it more naturally b/c it's always been their role. The issue is they aren't on the NT.


    Btw, don't count so much on Jairo Campos. I'm sure he won't be anywhere near 100% by the game vs. Uruguay. I'd count him out the NT. We need someone that's fit no matter how bad we think they are. I may sound crazy right now but we have to go with Guagua. That's it.
     
  25. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Paredes....???? (Sorry but no Guagua)...Erazo....Ayovi
    .......... Castillo ..............
    Valencia... Arroyo....Montero
    ........ Caicedo.. Martinez...

    I say something like this then.... Then substitute Ibarra for Arroyo in the 2nd half and move A. Valencia to the mid.

    Or if Paredes hasn't improved then put Valencia at RB and Ibarra at RW.

    How bad is Campos injured? How much longer will be be out?

    Lets see how the players do though in their leagues until the eliminatorias. We need to call the best performing players. At this time it seems like we are getting healthier and our starters are back in rhythm. Lets hope Caicedo starts playing more because he seems like the only one that isn't playing regularly.

    I would say look at players from El Nacional, Ind. del Valle, and Liga de Loja. They are getting it done! We need some new defense players that can go with Erazo. Bone (sp?) from El Nacional actually had a fantastic game against Emelec and owned E. Valencia throughout the whole game. Ramirez the player in Germany is playing full 90 minutes constantly too. He is most likely our Ayovi replacement. I think its time to bring him to the NT.
     

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