2012/13 Takashi Usami @ Hoffenheim (GER) Thread [R]

Discussion in 'Japanese Abroad' started by Dax, May 23, 2012.

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  1. SugarDaddySean

    Feb 12, 2011
    Los Angeles
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    His decision to join Bayern was not a smart one to begin with. He never played and then Hoffenheim didnt work out either even though seemingly he is one of their top players. I hope things begin to look up for him starting with his move to Freiburg who will be playing Europa next year. Sounds like he will have some competition, but I bet if Kagawa makes a few phone calls in Germany Usami will get his chance.
     
  2. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
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    West Ham United FC
    Back to Gamba then?
     
  3. Dax

    Dax Moderator
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    Feb 29, 2012
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    Go check the previous pages. There have been no news since those rumors though, so who knows.
     
  4. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
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    West Ham United FC

    I've seen. But honestly, I don't see why Bundesliga teams would make an offer for him. For the last two years, he's been furiously warming the bench, wasting his career. Gamba would be good for him.
     
  5. Dax

    Dax Moderator
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    Feb 29, 2012
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    That's a bit harsh. He didn't warm the bench at Hoffenheim, he still played 20 matches or so.
     
  6. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
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    West Ham United FC

    12 starts, most before December. I agree i might have sounded harsh but it's just my annoyance at the whole 'send promising youngsters abroad no matter what' approach...
     
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  7. Dax

    Dax Moderator
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    Feb 29, 2012
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    but it's not about sending. It's what he wanted! Then again, you can't always be successful ;)

    edit: I see 15 starts anyway
     
  8. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
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    I suppose that could be partly true, but there is undeniably that footballing culture in Korea and Japan of sending youngsters straight off to Europe boosted by success stories of players such as Kagawa... I know you can't always be successful, but I wish that the agents would be more prudent. Isn't another youngster called Kubo going to Europe as well?
     
  9. Dax

    Dax Moderator
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    Feb 29, 2012
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    I'm really not sure what makes you think that, I think it's more a misunderstanding.
    It's the players themselves, that boosted by Nakata-Nakamura-Kagawa-etc want to challenge themselves in an harder environment.
    Infact, that's why you're seeing clubs like Cerezo that refused to sell their players immediately this season... then again, exceptions may exists of course. But I mean, it's not like it comes from the club usually.
     
  10. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
    Club:
    West Ham United FC

    I meant the agents and the media rather than the clubs. For example, I remember I read on goal.com that the reason why most transfers from J-League to abroad was low or free was due to the fact that most players have low or 0 foreign buy-out clause. Also, I cannot speak for Japanese football as well here, but in so many interviews with young Korean players, they always ask 'When will you leave for Europe?', and they egg on players as well.
     
  11. Dax

    Dax Moderator
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    Feb 29, 2012
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    Yeah I get your point.
    But what can you do, "top" football is in Europe... at least most of those players will came back in their thirties to help some youngsters. (see Inamoto, Shunsuke, etc)
     
  12. sc-f

    sc-f Member+

    May 23, 2009
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    SC Freiburg
    Nat'l Team:
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    So what do you suggest? Basically you are picking a player who had a bad spell so far in Europe to prove your point. Take another player (of any nationality) whose move to one of the top leagues turned out decent, probably getting paid more than double in wages of what he had at home and is in some cases a regular in the NT... your argumentation is turned around and it would have been prudent to move abroad.
     
  13. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
    Club:
    West Ham United FC

    Not quite. I have used a bad example before, but the case of Kagawa and Kiyotake was completely different from Usami and Otsu. Kagawa had 3-4 excellent seasons at Cerezo, and same applies for Kiyotake. As for Usami and Otsu? One good season, and moving to Europe: that's what I am saying was not prudent. Another example of bad premature move abroad would be Morimoto.
     
  14. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    And the samurai troll returns! :D

    N.B. Do not feed

    그만 좀 망신시켜 이 국뽕시캬 (apologies to other users for using Korean here)
     
  15. Dax

    Dax Moderator
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    Feb 29, 2012
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    great idea to quote those, a nice way to preserve them...
     
  16. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
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    Should I edit the quote out then?
     
  17. Dax

    Dax Moderator
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    Feb 29, 2012
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    I would suggest so. These posts gets deleted anyway and we make sure to not derail the thread ;)
     
  18. sc-f

    sc-f Member+

    May 23, 2009
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    SC Freiburg
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    What I am saying is that you are judging past decisions with the present situation, both of which are opinional. Take Honda's first season at VVV. He didn't shine in Japan and he didn't yet have the impact at his new club, so it was not prudent to move abroad back then? What about Yoshida? Would he have better stayed in Nagoya too as he fractured his leg in one of his first training sessions there? With Kagawa, you could say Usami had a comparable season in the tier above his, so Kagawa joining BVB wasn't more prudent than Usami's move? See, with Kagawa the argument works in the opposite direction too.

    Take all other players abroad: Some might fit your argumentation but you can't make them examples for a golden rule of who is ready and who better stays at home.
     
  19. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
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    I've never said that it was a rule as such. And of course, it's my own opinion, and you are fully entitled to disagree. All I am doing is putting some substance to back up my point. Also, on Usami, as I've said in the previous comment, he had ONE good season. When Honda was at Venlo, he pretty much started in all games, even in his first season when he transferred in January. Compare that to Otsu and Usami, who pretty much are lingering on the bench for two years running.
     
  20. sc-f

    sc-f Member+

    May 23, 2009
    Club:
    SC Freiburg
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    OK what you do is applying your opinion about Usami on other players, stating the move wasn't prudent, based on the actual (dissapointing) situation of respective players. You may not have said this as a rule, but it still sounds like a generalization to me. And what I am saying is that line of argumentation does not work, as going down to the second Dutch tier as a starter (Honda) could be tagged a failure as well as not making it into the first team at Borussia M'Gladbach (Otsu). Setting the J2 alight (Kagawa) may have been considered a lesser achievement than playing all JNT youth teams and being voted rookie of the year (Usami)... etc.
     
  21. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
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    Urawa RD
  22. Dax

    Dax Moderator
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    Feb 29, 2012
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    Yeah I read it this morning but from the wording I can't understand very well. It seems as if "he's coming back" - from 18th of June, not that there is (already) a plan to spend the season there.
    I'm confused. Maybe he's just still looking at his options ( = waiting for an offer)
     
  23. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
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    Urawa RD
    公式戦出場は7/19登録ウインドーが開いてからの出場登録となります。
     
  24. Dax

    Dax Moderator
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    Feb 29, 2012
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    oops, for some dumb reason I thought it was still stuff about his stats in Germany and basically skipped it all (that part) :D
    Glad he took a decision then.
     
  25. teioh

    teioh Member+

    Apr 17, 2012
    No comment.
    Bye bye Takashi.
    Please the next one come in.
     

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