Paul Arriola at Swansea City (on loan from DC United)

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Howard the Drake, May 2, 2013.

  1. Howard the Drake

    Feb 27, 2010
    The American contingent grows larger.

     
  2. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Plucked him right from the Galaxy academy. That's the 2nd or 3rd kid from an MLS academy they've taken for free. Look for MLS to make some changes to allow teams to be able to more proactive in signing academy players so they can contest that.
     
  3. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    What about the league's roster rules precluded the the Galaxy from signing Arriola? (Not being a smart-aleck; I honestly don't know the rules.) Is it because he wasn't considered an academy product?
     
  4. Smithsoccer1721

    Smithsoccer1721 Member+

    Feb 16, 2007
    Middle of the Table
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Could be wrong but I don't believe he was with the Galaxy Academy long enough to be able to sign as a HG player.
     
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  5. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    Iirc, with Jose Villarreal, they signed him right away, but he wasn't eligible for the first team until after he did his time in their academy.
     
  6. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
  7. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They could only sign him for the league minimum I think. Only a certain amount of HGP's can be signed above the league minimum I think.

    MLS HGP rules are murky so I'm not sure.

    I'm not sure if it was monetarily based, though.
     
  8. USvsIRELAND

    USvsIRELAND Member+

    Jul 19, 2004
    ATL
    He is a 95, so eligible for next U-20 cycle.
     
  9. genom

    genom Member

    May 27, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think it's an issue of Paul not playing enough academy games with the Galaxy. I think it's one of the following.

    A) He was offered more money by Tijuana
    B) The galaxy rated Raul Mendiola higher, and thus did not offer a contract to Arriola
     
  10. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What they need to do is allow teams to get some sort of compensation, especially if they attend the academy for free.
     
  11. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Can't get compensation (from outside MLS) without a contract. Can't sign a contract because you can't play college soccer. Catch-22.

    So unless MLS is willing to sign all the kids at the MLS academy teams - and money aside, they don't have the sports on the senior team for them all - which is very unlikely, this will continue to happen.

    The college angle is something MLS teams have to deal with that academies abroad don't.
     
  12. Smithsoccer1721

    Smithsoccer1721 Member+

    Feb 16, 2007
    Middle of the Table
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What about some training compensation. Maybe it's just the FA in England but when lower team picks off a highly rated youth player who wasn't under any contract they pay some sort of development compensation (Everton did this with George Green). Granted I have zero clue if it's just FA enforced or has the backing of FIFA or what.
     
  13. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    That would make sense except that MLS does not like to reciprocate.

    Supposedly a hold-up in the Galaxy finalizing a deal Raul Mendiola is that he spent some time in Pachuca's academy and Los Tuzos want some compensation for said training from MLS and the league has dug-in over it. (This was reported third person so I can't say for certain the Pachuca part is true.)
     
  14. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Forget high-profile players like Mendiola and Pachuca. How about every single youth club in America asking for training $$$ every time an MLS academy recruits one of their players?'

    Even if you restricted training compensation only to players who eventually signed pro HG contracts, it's not a door I think MLS is interested in opening any time soon.
     
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  15. Susaeta

    Susaeta BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 3, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unless MLS builds academies modeled after prison systems, kids are going to pursue other opportunities.
     
  16. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    Does residency under Wilmer Cabrera count? :D
     
  17. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    It seems like the only organizations with a legitimate claim for compensation would be the ones that aren't pay-to-play. Outside of some MLS academies, there aren't too many of these around.
     
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  18. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Great point.
     
  19. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
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  20. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a good point and perhaps that's a line in the sand that could be drawn to solve a problem without creating an even larger one. That way, MLS clubs could poach from pay-to-play clubs for free while turning around and asking for money from other MLS academies or foreign clubs who sign their players.

    I'd be curious to know, though, how these training compensation systems work in Europe. Are they legally enforced by a government entity? Is it little more than a gentleman's agreement backup by the stern eye of the national federation? Is it country-by-country and, if so, how does compensation work when a player is poached internationally?
     
  21. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. genom

    genom Member

    May 27, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
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  23. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    If you believe Jovan Kirovski, it does.
     
  24. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wish he would've been a new HGP for the Galaxy but this is still awesome.:thumbsup:
     
  25. Howard the Drake

    Feb 27, 2010
    Do the Galaxy retain Arriola's rights indefinitely? If he doesn't enjoy Tijuana and wants to come play in MLS in three years, do they have his rights? What if he plays in Mexico/Europe for 10-12 years and wants to come in MLS on the backside of his career?
     

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