I hate his decision...but we move on. He is kicking spanish ass...I'm proud of that. We can still compete without him.
In this situation there is no media nonsense to be fed. It has been him in those press conferences denying callups, unless Faitelson hired a double in order to make us think it was Vela denying to play for what I thought was his country.
No le ayudan en nada esas declaraciones...tienen razon de que los medios mexicanos les gusta criticar de mas, pero si es esa la razon por la que no quiere jugar por mexico, entonces que Chiquito es con todo respeto
But that's the problem and it's his fault that it is a problem since he doesn't say why the fack he keeps denying callups. People love to blame Chepo and all you Vela excuse makers justify the blame, but when the blame is placed on Vela, you are all quick to generate excuses.
He has his reasons and I don't know what they are. I do know for sure that one of them has been known to be full of shit (federation), the other has been vague about the answer (Vela). I don't disagree with you about him not being more forthcoming but to me that does not equate to being guilty. As stated earlier, he may or may not have a valid reason for not coming. Since I don't know that reason, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. It's really not that difficult to understand.
So i am not justified to make conclusions based on Vela's behavior but you are justified to disregard everything I say because of a strawman, yes, very logical. And no, I not only do not watch anything Faitelson has to say, i rarely even watch anything on ESPN that is not a game.
Why, when you want to get some kind of intellectual superiority in a discussion on this board, you always write a response in spanish? I have no problem with it, I just find it odd.
If you look at only his decision to not come, then of course he is guilty. I'm simply stating that you have judged him to be guilty without knowing all of the circumstances to why he has denied call-ups. Of course you are free to form your opinion with however much or however little information is actually available. And I've conceded that his not being more forthcoming doesn't help the matter. Still, I prefer not to cast stones until I am absolutely certain the person in question is deserving...
That's fine if you give him the benefit of the doubt, that's your interpretation of the situation he has gotten himself into, but I don't give him the benefit of the doubt. If you are making assumptions based on your interpretations, then why is wrong for me to make mine? Like you stated before, no one knows the actual reasons for his refusals, so until he clears shit up, there will be different assumptions made and they are justifiable.
I have made no assumptions. None. Neither side has stated anything certain. I still support Vela, and I still support El Tri without Vela.
thats fine, I have no problem with that. IMO, we have enough information to make an informed decision on the matter. Could it be the case that I am wrong, sure, but if we need 100% certainty on anything in order to make up our minds, then we should not have opinions on anything. I have no problem with people holding judgement. What I do find odd, is people on here defending any attack on him, as if we are all out to get him and he is the victim. He is not, we are just calling it like we see it.
Same here. I dont understand why people jump to his defense when all we are doing is giving our opinion. Im sure other players have issues with Chepo or FMF but no one has refused a call up. I form my opinion on what he says in interviews and press conferences. I think we might have to rename this thread " Positive comments on Carlos Vela at Real Sociedad or you will be called a troll or drama queen"
It's not positive comments. If he plays like shit in a game, we'll call him out on it all day. The issue is people labeling him a 'traitor' and 'fack Vela' nonsense posts without knowing all of the circumstances. In Pern's case, he is more likely trolling (not that he doesn't sincerely feel that way) which is why he's not allowed in these forums. Simply put, things are not always as they seem. I see no reason to crucify him until I know he is guilty. The only thing he is guilty of is not being more forthcoming. If he ever came out and said that he hated Mexico or didn't want to play for a bunch of nacos something like that, I'd be the first here to hammer the nail into his hand...
You said you give him the benefit of the doubt, so therefore you are assuming he is right. Like I said that's fine, but you can't dismiss the other takes on this situation, because just like your interpretation, mine can't be totally ruled out. So based on the info we do have, Vela IMO comes out looking like a diva and a traitor and until you or someone else can convince her to state her reasoning for declining, then my opinion will stay the same. I am sure your opinion won't change either until we get the whole truth right?
Whatever his excuse may be, it has to be valid because if it truly was BS why would Chepo insist on calling him? I'm GUESSING that if it was a lame excuse Chepo would have written him off a long time ago. If Vela he didn't want to come because the media, or whoever it may be, criticized him, or because he didn't have a guaranteed playing time, I don't think very many people would classify those as valid excuses. What I'm getting at is if his excuses were really that lame Chepo would have said fack the guy a long time ago. Maybe it isn't completely up to him. Maybe La Real has something to do with his decisions. Or it really could be that Vela is an idiot and is declining calls for BS reasons. Nobody knows what is really going on. All we can do is speculate and judge with limited details. And for those that say that he needs to come out and talk, how would you like to have to explain yourself to the whole world everytime you made a decision at work? Let these guys live their lives and have someprivacy. If he comes back someday, good. If he doesn't, too bad. I believe he's got more to lose than El Tri.
But you are taking a side. You aren't truly neutral, so you have assumed at least for the time being that Vela's refusals are justifiable.
This certainly is not the place to get into a semantic debate about taking sides but this is how you choose to perceive my stance. That's on you. If you want to believe that it can only one or the other and not both or neither, that's your choice. I don't see it that way. The truth is that I don't know if Vela's refusals are justifiable. I have not assumed one way or the other. I only know that I don't know. And since I don't know, I won't judge. Until I know otherwise, I will assume that there is some difference of opinion between two parties that can and hopefully will be resolved in the future.