Alert: The NT Players Performance and Ratings Thread 2012/2013

His positioning isn't great when a team cramps down on the space and his team needs to break them down, but when transitioning in space he does a good job of getting himself into dangerous positions.

 

i hesitate to agree with you. <b>successful</b> is not what I would call his first season. The fact that Wenger, the most forgiving manager, subs him out every game and that he did not start against Spurs, is testament to this.

I will say this, Podolski is <b>useful</b>. He is not a center forward, and 13 goals is not a bad return at all for his position. Look at Valencia, he has 0 goals, same thing for Ashley Young. In fact, most wingers, barring Gareth Bale, don't score that much in the league. He has yet to score against a big team that is not bayern munich, and besides a couple of games, never really dominated player. His goalscoring rate in the CL however is not bad at all.

I like his directness, and whenever he is in the box and well position, his left foot is a real threat. But the solution is simple, simply mark him. He always loses his cool when that happens and never gets anything done. He is however, a tough player who will always try again and I look forward to see him score many goals in the years to come, too bad his tenure as a winger with the NT has come to an end though, but he simply hasn't brought up his game the way someone like Reus has.

 

HI All, Haven't been on the site for some time, so not sure if this has been discussed at all. Looking at WC 2014 and looking at the team to fielded might still be early days , but I do feel that the core team more or less has been chosen with some open spots.
What do you think in regards to the following points:
1. Central Defenders - Hummels, MERTE, HOWEDES and Badstuber if he gets back in form.
2. Full Backs - LAHM, Schmelzer - Do you think Jung has a chance to make the team? Also I suppose HOWEDES and Boateng can play there but honestly believe that BOATENG should be dropped of the team.
3. DEF MIDFIELD - IF no injuries happen I suppose Schweinie, Khedira and Gundogan are set.
4. Off Midfield - Reuss , Goetze, Oezil, Muller, Kroos and Schurrle - I believe the following could still fight for a spot - Draxler, Holtby, Rhode and Poldi.
5. Strikers - really not sure what will happen here, maybe Poldi and Kiessling could get fielded depending on next years performances. Klose and Gomez not sure if they will make it back and wouldn't want to give them a WC spot if not fit or in form. Wouldn't want from our current strikers to have more then 1 spot given out.
6. Others to note - Obviously one or both the Benders could get nominated especially as one of them can play FB. What do you think about Groskreutz as a LAHM/Schmelzer replacement did he not not do quite well on that position last weekend against Hanover?

Any other new talents that I have not mentioned that could be part of the last 30 before the cut the team to 23 for the finals?

Neuer, Adler =2
Merte, Hummels, Badstuber, Howedes =4
Lahm, Schmelzer, Boateng =3
Schweinie, Khedira, Gundogan = 3
Ruess, Goetze, Oezil, Kroos,Muller, Schurrle =6
That would be 18 players
Other 12 players to make up 30 Squad
One additional Goalkeeper (not sure)
Jung, Grosskreutz, Bender
Bender,Rhode
Draxler , Holtby, Poldi
Gomez, Klose, Kiessling(actually in my opinion maybe only Klose if fit)

 

Mario Gotze with an astounding performance today, what a ********ing player.

 

He is already at Oezil's level IMHO, and his ceiling is way higher as well.









Flame suit on.

 

We shall let history decide, but Oezil's passing vision can only make up for his other deficiencies for so long. The era of specialist players is coming to an end, and pure play-makers like Oezil are disappearing from the game.

 

Iniesta is nothing like Oezil IMHO. He has many more similarities to Goetze than he does to Oezil.

 

You're usually not off but on this one I think you are.

Oezil is still ahead of every German player and still most likely to win a Balon D'or. Goetze is excellent but slightly overrated in the sense that so much pressure has been put on him that it distorts reality. At 20 Oezil was excellent but he didn't have the support and platform young players have now including Mario. His finishing is better I suppose but that's it. I also don't know why they are consistently compared. One is more comfortable higher up the field and one likes to dictate the game from a slighly deeper role. The Iniesta comparison is very accurate here with Oezil. Their impact and roles are always more difficult to see and gauge because they are always at the inception of moves and oftentimes off the ball. Goetze is more involved and often at the end of them. Of course he can create but he will always dart forward and be more "proactive".

What deficiencies are we talking about with Oezil? As far as I know his finishing at club level are an issue but his record at international stage is extremely good, even though he can in fact become a better finisher but this stat is relative to the difference in the systems he plays under,

 

What do you make of Oezil's performance away at Old Trafford ? Apart from the back heel for the second goal, it was a dire showing from him, wasnt it ? He doesnt dribble. He just makes simple passes. He takes no risks. Real Madrid have struggled a lot against parked buses this season and his performances have been one of the main reasons.

 

I've always hated the "if you take away his brilliant plays he's average" argument

 

Well, it was just one brilliant play and to be honest the goal was much more about Higuain's shot and Ronaldo's incredible movement than Oezil's back heel. His 75 min were disappointing, one moment doesnt change that.

 

What do I make of it? He wasn't as good as he was in the first leg, yet he produced a moment of magic that decided the game? the very criticism people have had of him. That play was a risk. It's such a broad thing to say that he doesn't, especially when he has to serve so many players ahead of him at Madrid including Kaka yesterday.

 

Özil will never win it because he misses the "killer instinct" and struggles too often in certain games. He will always be a great "supporter" but those don't get these awards. You need to make the difference on your own in big games and that's where Götze shows a lot more promise.
Look at Dortmund's recent game vs Bayern, Götze took on them pretty much on his own. That's a game where Özil would typically disappear.

Are you kidding? If anything guys like you underrate him around here. There has never been a better player in the BL at the age of 18-20. Özils performances at that age don't even come close and Götze is already on the way of surpassing him in the CL with his performances.

At 20 Özil wasn't better than Marko Marin and you had to "enjoy" one average/bad performance after another for one brillant match, especially in the u21 for Germany. Götze is a totally different beast in this regard.
You also can't blame it on a lack of support or a missing platform, he had a very good Bremen side at that time around him with players like Diego, Marin and so on. Not exactly scrubs and thus no argument if you consider that Götze is one of the main reasons for Dortmund's rise.

He is also a better (more successful) dribbler, has a better defensive game and a slightly better tactical understanding of the game.

Because they are two of the best AMs of their generation?

Why do people always think that you can only compare what is the same. Even in science this isn't the reason behind comparisons. And no the Iniesta comparison isn't that accurate, Götze is a lot closer to him, key statistic data also shows this (amount of dribbling, passes, spaces/positions they occupy etc.).

Özil goal scoring for the NT has improved because he takes penalties and scored a couple in rather unimportant/high scoring games. His finishing is still way below average for a player of his quality and that IS an issue for someone in his position. Doesn't mean he shouldn't start for Germany but it's funny that people complain about Gomez technical weaknesses but defend players like Özil in really everything.
Besides that is Özil's defensive game still a weakness of him and could certainly improve.
I also don't know what the difference in systems got to do with Özils goal scoring. Real offers plenty of opportunities to score, Özil simply lacks the quality in this area to do so, that's something you kinda have to accept and can't be blamed on any system.

 

Hard to believe I have repped you TWICE in a single day...

 

Leinad, you couldn't have said it better. Especially about Oezil not being a match winner so he is definitely not the likeliest German player to win Ballon D'Or.
Goetze takes on players. He tries to make things happen. His dribbling is very good and better than Oezil.
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Exactly, I dont understand how SirManchester believes Oezil is closer to Iniesta than Goetze.

 

Dribbling is what the fans love to see.

 

No, but his arguments were very good.

 

Both should be starting. Bench Mueller - Das Super-sub!!!!