Best Dribblers.

Discussion in 'Players & Legends' started by TKORL, Nov 1, 2009.

  1. Alexander88

    Alexander88 Member

    Jan 26, 2013
    Club:
    AC Milan
    ball control Romario had Del Piero. Romario did not have a good control of the ball, a player has been slow. The control of the ball you can see when player running fast. Faster you go and the ball is more difficult to control, make the circus numbers, does not mean having, a great control of ball.

    Maradona, Ronaldo, Messi, have the best control of ball, The difference is that Ronaldo was much faster than Maradona and Messi
     
  2. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Unless you're talking to anybody outside of Europe. Where Romario is viewed better than Ronaldo. And ball control is not just about racing and speed. That's why players when they lose speed their quality goes down, while players that have REAL ball control lose speed but because they have incredible ball control they can still be productive.

    It takes as much ball control to get 90% of your long passes to complete as it does to run with the ball. It takes as much ball control to accurately strike with your head over and over as it does to run with the ball...

    If running with the ball was the tell all of a great ball controller and dribbler, wouldn't you think that it would get a lot more attention during fundamental training than passing trapping and kicking? But it doesn't.
     
  3. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    I am surprised you area Brazilian fan!!!! You sounded like Ronaldo was just a Theo Walcott!
    Ronaldo was among the very very best ball control - especially during running, mobile (not static like Zidane, Romario ...)
     
  4. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Don't get me wrong, I think Ronaldo was spectacular, but Romario is simply the best striker I've seen play. The type of objectivity we got from him has not been seen until now with Messi.


    And come on now, how did I make Ronaldo look like Theo Walcott?
     
  5. Alexander88

    Alexander88 Member

    Jan 26, 2013
    Club:
    AC Milan
    even after injury Ronaldo was stronger than Romario, Romario has always played in a league ridiculous.

    Romario in Barcellona 39 gol in 66 appes
    Ronaldo in Barcellona 47 gol in 49 appes

    Ronaldo was 20 time better than romario in in everything.

    Is better in speed, is better in control, in dribbling, in finishing, in assist, in freekick, with the right and left foot
     
  6. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Romario 55 goals in 70 games for Brazil
    Ronaldo 62 in 98..

    And the Brazilian league is far from ridiculous. That's just your European Bias. Remember a Brazilian Club team will have more competitive matches than an European team. up to 3x more. Romario was also better than Ronaldo for the National Team.

    Goals for Barcelona means nothing to Brazilians.. what do we get from it? Goal for our National Squad? That is the most pressure a player will ever have, playing as a striker for our NT. And he was amazing as our striker.
     
  7. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Nope. Romario was better than Ronaldo in short-distance acceleration, definitely greater ball control, and a more exquisite finisher. Also a better pk taker and better header of the ball. Ronaldo was better dribbling in long runs, more powerful, better at free kicks and more balanced with both feet. Overall it's very similar, both are top 25 all time, but I do rate Ronaldo just a bit higher because he was a real prodigy and had a longer career at the top in Europe.
     
  8. Alexander88

    Alexander88 Member

    Jan 26, 2013
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Why do disinformation??'

    Romario
    56 gol in 74 apps___ 0,76
    62 goal in 98 apps___0,70

    national networks are not very indicative because Romario many goals he scored in the friendly against teams ridiculous.

    Romario the world cup has score only 5 goals, Ronaldo 15


    Romario with Psv 128 goal in 142 apps___0,90
    Ronaldo with Psv 47 goal in 49 apps_____0,96

    Romario had a better control in area??? lol

    Min. 0:31
    10 times faster than Romario

    greater control in your dreams

    Better shot??

    Look this:
    Shot vs Buffon 1:22


    Freekick Vs Buffon
     
  9. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    You're telling me you can't find videos of Romario doing the same exact things? You need to look harder.. there are videos of all of his goals in 2000 for Vasco.
    Ronaldo was a great player... Romario to me.. was just better.

    Also fix your National Team avg Gpg numbers for Ronaldo and Romario.
     
  10. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Well let;s not making this into Romario and Ronaldo again!
    In brief, you two are all biased!
    - Alexander88: Ronaldo was not 10 times better than Romario (just slightly better in term of all round games = since he was still dangerous outside the box )

    - @Guig: Romario was NOT better than Ronaldo in ball control by any means= if I would not say other way around. Romario was better in header, and slighly in close-in finishing touch (toepoke)

    Now if we count all the big games: they both share more or less the same GPG (>0.8) with Ronaldo having more assists = that's ALL
     
  11. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Romario's GPG is higher. I agree with Guigs that Romario had the greater ball control, it should be easy to see.
     
  12. RoyOfTheRovers

    Jul 24, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England




    [Are you trying to compare Romario v. Ronaldo in terms of physical strength OR as the superior/more effective front-runner/goal-scorer here?]
     
  13. MailMan

    MailMan Red Card

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I third that
     
  14. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    So Nistelrooy with higher GPG at big clubs than batistuta would be "easy" to see who is better?
    How do you and Guigs justify Romario having better ball control? with your own eyes?
    Again, if your eyes were calibrated with a so called "great performance" of Paolo Rossi (WC82) then I fully understand HOW! LOL
     
  15. Bruford

    Bruford Member

    Sep 23, 2012
    Romario and Ronaldo had similar level, in the end it´s a personal choice. Now, just because you watched Ronaldo more, you think he is kind of a God, while Romario would be just a good striker?
    Your stats are wrong, Romario in the NT: 55 goals/70 games. Ronaldo had better stats in Barcelona, but you should remember that he played Copa del Rey and scored many goals there, while Romario only played La liga and UCL for Barça. In La Liga : Romario 33 games/30 goals (none PK), Ronaldo 37 games/34 goals( 4 PKs).
     
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  16. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I don't think Batistuta is all that great, RVN may be a similar for all I care. Romario had better ball control because he could kill any kind of ball even under extreme duress.
     
  17. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Well then you need extra pair of glasses, mate

    Batistuta was a great center FW. He was just behind Muller, Romario Basten Ronaldo as center FW/ striker. Nistelrooy was a great poacher (instinct, finishing touch and be at right place right time) and can NOT compare to Batistuta games. Batistuta coudl dribble, finishing form inside/outside the box, and can run on eitehr flank - Batistuta would be in anyone's TOP100, but not Nistelrooy.

    FACT: Nistelrooy made ONE LONG goal (just outside teh box) the whole 5years in ManU shirt! 99% were inside the box and >80% as tap in goals. ONE DIMENSIONAL classic inbox striker (in same mould of Inzaghi, Crespo, Vieri, Trezeguet and Owen) !

    What you described was NOT a "better ball control" in any sense. I already said, Romario has slightly better finishing touch inside the box than Ronaldo (for his coolness, calmness while Ronaldo was sometimes too fast and shot abit too strong). However from outside the box, Ronaldo has better long shots (not in power but precision), better eyes for goals out of nowhere.
     
  18. Bruford

    Bruford Member

    Sep 23, 2012
    One thing that I really like about Romário´s game is his reception and first touch, one of the best I ever seen
     
  19. Lucas...

    Lucas... Member+

    Dec 18, 2012
    I'd rather not discuss here Romario vs Ronaldo.

    I stated my opinion on another thread when I talked to James. It was clear that he would not change his opinion and l never think Ronaldo better than Romario. It's a tiresome discussion (I talk about it every week in Brazilian forums) and that neither side changes your opinion.

    The only fact is that (excluding extra-field situations), for the history, Ronaldo is bigger than Romario due the goals in WC and to the time played in Europe. This is undeniable.

    I'd rather be watching videos about both in 1997 :D
     
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  20. MailMan

    MailMan Red Card

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    What brazilian forums do you participate on?
     
  21. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Yes, Romario was among: the best 1st touch, the best 1 and 2, and the best 1 vs 1.

    Many misinterpret the term "ball control" with dribbling skills, and between ball control vs firt touch .. (like you mention)

    This is another example of Ronaldo (even at his worse time FAT ) look at his 1st goal = 1st touch and best control to control the ball from 20yards HIGH above and from 40yards far away, during running: and he scored
     
  22. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Romario was the better player, the only reason Ronaldo is rated higher, which I also do, is because of his longer career in Europe at the top and his three WC participations. If I were to pick one player at his best for my team as striker, however, it would be Romario.
     
  23. MailMan

    MailMan Red Card

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Ronaldo actually had better ball control the fatter he got
     
  24. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    how better? you just said better ball control and after I gave an example you said just better?
    Answer me:
    1- Did anyone ever put Romario to be successor (or even surpass) Pele/Maradona? Ronaldo in 97
    2- Did any great DF get scared of Romario? Maldini, Thuram Desailly Nesta, Canavaro to ronaldo
    3- Did many great younger ever dream to be a new Romario? Roanldo was idol of most good players in last 2 decades: Ronaldiho, Kaka, Robinho, Ailton, Giovani, Eduardo, Crespo, Drogba, Ibra , Etoo, Benzama, Torres, Neymar Lucas Balotelli ... and much more from other National... even Messi, Figo and Zidane were all envie of Ronaldo
     
  25. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Guys, let's not get sidetracked too severely here. If you want to continue this discussion, continue it on a thread more relevant than here. I propose that we end this discussion until that point on this note; both Ronaldo and Romario were brilliant and legendary players that were special in their own ways. Romario was a predator that could just finish from anywhere in the box with his extraordinary instinct, positioning, movement, and ability. Ronaldo was a powerful, gifted striker with a habit of regularlyproducing truly spectacular moments that could turn a game on its head, especially before his injuries.
     
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