Cosmos attempted rebirth tracking thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by SonicDeathMonkey, Oct 25, 2011.

  1. edwardgr

    edwardgr Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Simple {singing} there is not just one Eric Cantona.
     
  2. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. njndirish

    njndirish Member

    Jul 14, 2008
    Notre Dame, IN
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. EL YANQUI

    EL YANQUI Red Card

    Jun 3, 2011
    ACEVEDO DIAZ Y CHANA
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
    Nat'l Team:
    Uruguay
    I wonder which will come first the Cosmos rebirth or tohos remake of the remake of Rebirth of Mothra.............
     
  5. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I put my money on Rocky 10..:)
     
  6. CenterForward

    CenterForward Member

    Feb 21, 2011
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. carnifex2005

    carnifex2005 Member+

    Jul 1, 2008
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Lol! I call bullshit and I like the idea of the Cosmos coming back.
     
  8. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    BTW, Belmont Park is in Elmont, NY. That's just east of Queens in Nassau County on Long Island. It is north of JFK airport.
     
  9. Easton FC

    Easton FC Member

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Jul 18, 2007
    Dallas, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder...

    If this is legitimate and they have "moved on from MLS", how the hell are they going to sell that stadium out? Sure, Cosmo fans would be thrilled to see the club back in action, but are there enough fans to fill 25k seats while they're playing in a minor league?

    IMHO, if their plan is to build this thing and not join MLS, my first reaction would be to call this a half-a-billion-dollar waste of space. Yet there is much in that article with which to speculate. We don't even know if this is legit or not. Not being part of Major League Soccer might also be pure speculation on the part of the reporter. It is the New York Post, after all.

    I'd love to see the Cosmos in MLS, fighting RBNY for metropolitan supremacy someday. If their intention is to stay in NASL with this plan (if it's real), I see this as a horrific and irresponsible waste of money. If that's the case, I'd assume their intention is to use the brand as the sole selling point rather than the brand competing in first division US soccer. Sounds arrogant and foolish to me.

    All that being said, time will tell. If this is all true, please let it be with MLS intentions in mind.

    My cent-and-a-half.

    EDIT: Now that I know where Belmont Park is, it doesn't sound promising for the NYC stadium crowd. Sure it's just east of Queens but it's not NYC. I wonder if that'll ruffle some feathers, if any at all. On the bright side, at least it's not New Jersey...
     
  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wait, I thought the Cosmos were going to be the true NYC team playing in the city (even though historically they played 75% of their home games outside the city). Now they're not even going to be in the city? What's next, a 3rd team to appeal to those fans that are apparently on city arrest and can't go past the city limits?
     
  11. The 92nd Fish

    The 92nd Fish Member

    Jan 16, 2007
    London, England
    Nat'l Team:
    England
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  12. Easton FC

    Easton FC Member

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Jul 18, 2007
    Dallas, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know. I wonder if that will mean anything to the Cosmo "wait-and-see"ers... (lol... nice one, Jasonma)
     
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  13. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure they will :rolleyes: Actually I hope they do. I'd love to see someone lose $400 million for no reason other than they're a moron.

    Still I call shenanigans. There's no way someone who has that much money would blow it on a 25,000 seat stadium for a division 2 soccer team in any event to say nothing of doing so outside New York city. They'd literally be the third wheel after MLS 20 that no one will give two shits about. They'd spend most of their time playing in front of empty seats.
     
  14. yellowbismark

    yellowbismark Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My guess is that this is the Cosmos' group's attempt to position themselves back into the sweepstakes if/when the Corona Park plan falls apart. If the Corona Park falls apart - which is very possible, that probably closes the book for feasible stadium locations in the New York city limits. The next best thing is to have a stadium just on the other side of the city limits, which is this location. Then the Cosmos group become the preferred expansion group again.

    If Corona gets built, this idea fades away because there is no way this Belmont Park location could compete with it.

    Building on a race track parcel sounds infinitely less politically complicated then building on (and replacing) park land. That's probably the bet they're making. They don't have to spend money until they build it, so might as well play the card.
     
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  15. El Naranja

    El Naranja Member+

    Sep 5, 2006
    Alief
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First Chivas. Then TFC. Now Montreal. I say we bring in the Cosmos. Having a 4th team that is totally deluded would only increase the fun that is MLS.
     
  16. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How are Montreal and Toronto "deluded?"
     
  17. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Will the stadium be downwind from the barns?
     
  18. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey! They aren't the New York City Cosmos, they are the New York Cosmos. At least they'd have some truth in advertising at Belmont. :)
     
  20. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So how do we keep you to this in say 10 years time?
     
  21. zensum

    zensum Member+

    Jan 22, 2008
    The Bronx, NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    My thinking too...

    And I'm guessing the $400 million is for the entire development not just the stadium but I guess we'll hear more details tomorrow.

    I'm betting F.cosmos is depending on financing through some developer as interested in the rest of the project as the stadium.

    MLS has looked at this option and while they'd obviously prefer the city Belmont Park is a location they apparently seriously considered.

    If this unlikely scenario plays out F.cosmos can also bargain down the $100 million expansion fee...no New York City.

    This is also a direct attack on the Flushing Meadows Park plan. If Belmont Park is approved the opposition can argue why take parkland when there's a soccer stadium being built just a few miles away. Maybe the Wilpons will help them, lol.

    Let's see if the Borough Boys show some integrity here. A few years ago they supported then abandoned FCNY when they appeared to renege on their promise to play in NYC proper. They didn't forgive them even when they changed plans and did in fact play in Queens at St Johns. F.cosmos is boldly declaring themselves to be a Long Island club (not for the first time either).

    We'll see if the NY2 guys are true to their cause or if they're just too bedazzled by their expropriated name.
     
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  22. looknohands

    looknohands Member+

    Apr 23, 2009
    Louisville, KY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Have you been sleeping during the past five years or so?
     
  23. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I checked the list of synonyms for deluded and "incompetent" is not one of them.

    So, how are they deluded?
     
  24. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No subway to Belmont and the LIRR to there is a pain in the ass. Dumb idea.
     
  25. vevo5

    vevo5 Member

    Nov 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    It's at the very edge of Eastern Queens (see the black dot on the picture above). Part of Belmont Park is in New York City. The bigger part is in Nassau County.

    Here's the letter submitted to Empire State Development Corporation

    http://thisiscosmoscountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/309640_4674703379308_1542644131_n1.jpg
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    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/socce..._stadium_lArBA6KwY4sfiT1CYjWIKK#axzz2I52lnHT4


    The stadium will be in the South Parking lot of Belmont Park. I checked Google Map for that parking lot and compare the size to RedBull Arena. There is a lot of room for a stadium the size of Red Bull Arena there.
     

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