¿Quién ganará la Sudamericana 2012?

Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by JAIME CHILE, Oct 26, 2012.

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¿Quién ganará la Sudamericana 2012?

  1. Grêmio(BRA)

    1 vote(s)
    12.5%
  2. São Paulo(BRA)

    4 vote(s)
    50.0%
  3. Universidad de Chile(CHI)

    1 vote(s)
    12.5%
  4. Universidad Católica(CHI)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Tigre(ARG)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Independiente(ARG)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Cerro Porteño(PAR)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Millonarios(COL)

    2 vote(s)
    25.0%
  1. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    And upon doing so they never specified how the confusion/fight/altercation/brouhaha started. And they made no mention of any firearms.

    Why?

    In your country's media, Tigre staff and coach Gorosito insist that 10-15 large men were waiting for them and attacked them. They said there were guns.

    Why is it that they said this on live Fox TV (with Argentine anchormen, no less), then they said something different when they complained to local authorities, and revert back to their original story once back on home soil?

    Call me cynical, but Tigre will NEVER admit that they lied, now that so many people in your country are incensed, now that AFA is going to complain to CONMEBOL, and now that some fans are saying that in the next occasions Brazilian teams visit your country, that they should be assaulted, lynched, or what not.
     
  2. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Because like in Brazil, in Argentina there's dumb people that tries to justify anything bad that happens abroad.

    The contrast with this is quite notorious hardly anybody will blame Tigre, but for example, even though FOX Sports showed the match yesterday and Miguel Fernández and Marcelo Benedetto showed the aftermath of the locker room were pushed around by the police and the security staff from the beginning of the broadcasting and even questioned CONMEBOL staff for their decision, today it became quite evident what the rest of their journalists are made of, because today NOBODY even mentioned CONMEBOL, to that point that in the noon's program 90 Minutos de Fútbol they gave a pseudo-sociological speech about how the situation in the society(which society?) ends up with this kind of events...? Because it isn't like they deny the security personnel nor the police misbehaved yesterday but they fail to point out whose responsability is apprently the argentine(?) society is to blame for a brazilian bodyguard's actions? WHAT THE ********? Where as in other places the first thing they said to the matter was questioning CONMEBOL's actioning on the final and and their handlings.
     
  3. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    You know, dude... as much as I got fired up last night (I won't deny it), I sometimes wonder why stuff like this has to happen when it's all a game. The existence of barras/torcidas organizadas, with fans getting killed for wearing the wrong jersey or being part of the wrong fan faction, or players having to drop sportsmanship with dirty play and trash talk...

    As I wrote, I've read online that some fans from your country are calling for payback. If in 2013 teams like Corinthians or Fluminense, for example, who were uninvolved w/ yesterday's events are assaulted or subjected to extreme violence simply as retaliation... it may create a tit-for-tat chain.

    It probably won't happen. I hope not. And I won't deny I'm glad Tigre lost because of how it was very violent last week (I still believe Tigre is a small team who doesn't come near the respectful status of teams like yours or CARP or Estudantes da Prata, etc)...

    Enough violence in the world as is.
     
  4. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Excuse me, but WHO is saying they never specified that? If any of that was true they would have not made it so far with this matter.
     
  5. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    final:uc-tigre......
     
  6. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    I read that on Brazilian sports news.
     
  7. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The same ones that claim that Tigre wanted to invade São Paulo's locker room?
     
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  8. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    If you are trying to be sarcastic, it doesn't faze me. But the answer is yes.
     
  9. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Well, it's interesting how they keep bending the story, first the whole thing about Tigre's players invading the locker and now this...
     
  10. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Tigre is "bending" the story. They first said large men were waiting and attacked. At the police station they said something (altercation/fight) happened but wouldn't say how it started. Back in Argentina, they revert to the original story.
     
  11. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    "O juiz não pode finalizar nenhuma partida, apenas suspender. É a Confederação que decide", Eugenio Figueredo.
     
  12. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    aja.....todo lo que dicen los periodistas que te convienen a tu nacionalismo.....es cierto caso cerrado
     
  13. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Thus says the Argentine press...
     
  14. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    la version de las pistolas no la han desmentido
     
  15. Steazy McCloud

    Feb 13, 2012
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Andres y mi amigo Millonario este tipo es un bobo, salgan! no hay nada que ver, no pierdan mas tiempo
     
  16. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
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    keep sweeping Cantinflas, keep sweeping, I think you need a bigger broom

    hey! doesn't that old man with the broom look like Havelange? how appropriate isn't it?
     
  17. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Again, if the firearms had really been displayed, Tigre would not have left the police station without mentioning them. Why didn't they?
     
  18. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    And good luck. CARP is a team that has lots of history in this tournament. I hope CARP is back in 2014.
     
  19. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    As I said, Neymar won't be in the U-20. No more defeats by six goals to none for your boys.
     
  20. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    SPFC won't be suspended.
     
  21. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    You first.
     
  22. viscajunior

    viscajunior Member+

    Aug 3, 2008
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Brasileros sucios, gamines hptas. Les perdi todo el respeto malparidos.
     
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  23. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Even if SPFC is/was guilty of subterfuge (which neither you nor anybody here can possibly prove), it's a bit silly of you to lump all Brazilian soccer teams/players into one monolith and to insult them.

    Oh well. *shrug*
     
  24. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    aja ok.....sao paulo no tiene ninguna responsabilidad en contratar personal de seguridad, que casi mata a futbolistas..........
     
  25. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    he didnt insult, your football, he insulted the society

    i hope, whent brazil get eliminated in 2014 wc, the other teams....wont be killed, by the holly bodyguards
     
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