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  1. FootySpy

    FootySpy Member

    Oct 22, 2012
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Is this boot referred to as the Hyper Venom . . .

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    . . . a different boot to this, now called the Phantom Venom?

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    There are some obvious differences (heel section, different upper material and pattern, conical vs. bladed soleplate, etc.) but the colorway and the overall design is very similar.
    Can anyone explain?
     
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  2. GUNT22

    GUNT22 Member

    Dec 11, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    Actually they are :) I'll keep you updated very soon ....
     
  3. GUNT22

    GUNT22 Member

    Dec 11, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    Quick share! Here's the picture showing the stud configuration of the Phantom Venom (FG) :) Only 3 studs at the back (2 conical, 1 bladed), very interesting design of the outsole....

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  4. Footballer-7

    Footballer-7 Member

    Jun 5, 2009
    Australia
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Nike going back to something (similar, not the same) as their elite models? With the carbon fibre vapors/superflies and two different models of the venoms?

    I will admit, the top tier range (dimpled) version of the venom is looking better. Sad to see the T90 go though, the market really is being aimed at speed boots/'lightness' isn't it...
     
  5. vanjory

    vanjory Member

    Dec 9, 2008
    Singapore
    Exactly. I can't believe people are paying like USD250 for a pair of GS2 or those limited editions, etc. I find it ridiculously expensive. I mean that same amount of money could be used to buy any other pair of good boots or maybe buy 2 pairs even. I am not one who buys expensive boots on most occasions because I find the price ridiculous for the material or how it is made. I always feel Nike boots are badly made due to how they glue the soleplate to the upper. I've seen many times how my friends' nike boots (of whatever grade) have fallen apart between the upper and the soleplate.

    I used to be a fan of Adidas boots than Nike because Adidas nail their soleplate to the upper, which holds it better together and I still have one pair of old predator TRX (or a lower grade) bought 4 years ago, which is still working fine. But now it seems Adidas no longer do the nailing method and they are the same as that of Nike, gluing the soleplate to the upper.

    I guess most of the time, it's all a psychological thing, believing that it could really make you run faster, give u a better pass, a better shot, ball control, etc.

    Just some personal opinions and thoughts.
     
  6. Zizou15

    Zizou15 Member

    Jun 15, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Can't imagine Rooney wearing those. I guess he will switch to CTRs, or maybe Legends.
     
  7. b0sk1

    b0sk1 Member+

    Jan 28, 2011
    Virginia Beach, VA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sounds like Gunt is saying then Phantom Venom will replace the lasers so I'm guessing it falls into the power boot silo?
     
  8. Zizou15

    Zizou15 Member

    Jun 15, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Both boots are named Venom and look pretty much the same, I'd say the Hyper Venom is just a takedown model of the Phantom Venom. The Phantom also has some bladed studs because it's a SG-Pro soleplate.
     
  9. aaaalex

    aaaalex New Member

    Sep 25, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Anybody know how the GS2 actually fits? I've heard a few different things, but most say they need a quite a bit of break-in time. They also don't have half sizes, never understood that. I wear an 8.5 US and was thinking about using a gift card to get them but am not sure if I should get a 9 or wait for the vapor ix to come out.
    What do you guys think?
     
  10. only1ronaldo

    only1ronaldo New Member

    Apr 1, 2012
    ugh, CR7 range is going to be the worst of them all if that hippo design is for real

    and to be honest, Vapor IX colorways are nothing we haven't seen before, I hate that violet is launch color again, we had already violet twice on launch, really wanted some red vapors but looks like I will have to be patient

    I will probably get violet again (two tones save it) but it's getting boring for Nike only users like me
     
  11. lnicholson29

    lnicholson29 Member

    Jul 25, 2010
    Manchester, UK
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
  12. Footballer-7

    Footballer-7 Member

    Jun 5, 2009
    Australia
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Why nike only?
     
  13. JonIsAnOwl

    JonIsAnOwl Member

    Apr 20, 2011
    England
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I'm not saying I agree with the opinion I put across.. I'm just saying, maybe it's better to consider all angles before saying most boots are 'crap'.

    I did an article on this recently, but in my opinion... The top 3 synthetics on the market are:

    1. KangaLite 2-0
    2. Hybridtouch
    3. Teijin on the Vapor VIII

    I'm actually extremely excited to see Hybridtouch on the upcoming AdiZeros... And while I am a reasonably big advocate towards leather... Synthetics are slowly becoming more durable, more comfortable and better performing. People would be foolish to suggest otherwise.

    But still, boots make little to no difference. The only thing that matters is traction and fit. Weight plays a bigger part than many of these egotistical people claim, but that's not worth arguing about. This week I have played two matches, one in the Umbro Speciali R Pro, and the other in the CTR360 III. Both games I played well, covered a lot of ground, scored and assisted.

    Leather v Synthetic is all down to personal choice at the end of the day. I've no doubt in my mind that the latest synthetics are better than any leather currently available. But that's just my opinion. There's a reason I come back to synthetic boots in the cold, wet and muddy pitches in England. Because they perform no matter what. Leather struggles in these weather conditions. Just my take.
     
  14. ejgrownarseman

    Jul 19, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hate to tell you, but most boots ARE crap these days. I don't know why you mention the quality of the synthetics, though, as that's not the problem. The quality of the uppers are generally great. Why, then, do companies continue to ignore the area that's most likely to fail? The bond between the sole plate and the upper. Even common sense would tell you this is the area most likely to fail, if not experience. Companies have pretty much stopped using rivets at all. This is a problem because slight separation is normal at the toe as part of the break in process. When there are rivets at the front, though, this separation will not get any worse. Problem with not having rivets is that once the separation starts, there's nothing there to stop it.

    Ten years ago you could buy pretty much any boots (except early Vapor models) and KNOW they would last you an entire season. That's 4 months of playing 6 days a week. You can't expect that now and it's sad.
     
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  15. JonIsAnOwl

    JonIsAnOwl Member

    Apr 20, 2011
    England
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    That's your opinion. I've been lucky enough to test pretty much every boot on the market, and the vast majority will last you a year or so. The only boots that didn't last were the Vapor VIII, Puma Powercat 1.12 and the Trinity 3E K.

    The Predator LZ and the adiZero Micoach synthetics are arguably me of the most durable boots on the market.. Which goes completely against your opinion.
     
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  16. ejgrownarseman

    Jul 19, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How does that go completely against my opinion? You listed three boots that suck and two that don't.

    If you can't see the serious decline in boot quality over the last decade it's because you're not old enough to.
     
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  17. JonIsAnOwl

    JonIsAnOwl Member

    Apr 20, 2011
    England
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Care to expand which three 'suck'?

    Unfortunately, you're using subjective opinions to express your argument.. Which makes it slightly invalid. You're welcome to your opinion of course... But until you can give evidence backing up your opinion which you clearly think is gospel, then its difficult to take it seriously.

    Boots are better than ever, both in terms of fit, comfort and performance.
     
  18. ejgrownarseman

    Jul 19, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course it's subjective. Everything in this thread is subjective, including your own opinion.

    I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I've been playing for over 20 years and I guarantee you anyone my age or older would agree that boot quality has declined significantly, especially within the last decade. Again, if you disagree, it's probably because you're not old enough to know better. That's not a knock but it is what it is.
     
  19. jayc23

    jayc23 Member+

    Dec 2, 2011
    Singapore
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Singapore
    My 2 cents on this issue, having used the (IMHO) very excellent Mizuno Morelias (Japan-Made) and the Ctr 3's is that the kangalite 2 has really improved to such an extent that I really didnt feel THAT much of a difference.

    For me, however, I prefer Leather as it gives me a more customized fit. On the other hand, thanks to Nike's new narrow last, my feet feel cramped, and i don't like the extra space in front so i don't like to go half a size up. Mizuno's on the other hand, totally mould to my feet and really feel like mine as its top quality leather. that for me makes Leather the best material.

    Not too sure about the durability of boots cause I havent actually had a pair of boots split or anything so I'm reserving judgement on that.
     
  20. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I would tend to agree with you on the idea of synthetics you listed as being the best, but my order is different with Hybridtouch being top of the list. In my experience is lasts longer without splitting than Kanga-Lite 2.0. The latter is slightly thinner and more malleable than Kanga-Lite 1.0 or even Hybridtouch but I don't think that is a good thing. The Vapor upper is better than the rest of the plastic but I still think it is "meh"; it is just that everything else is so bad this shines.

    Weight plays little part......I am sorry, but it isn't the factor that people make it out to be. Clunky and bulky is an issue, but weight is not. The rest of the stuff you wear weighs you down more than any shoe and only the most elite sprinters in the world would notice the difference in a few ounces. We are talking grams here, not kilograms.

    Lack of water uptake is a great benefit of synthetic, there is no disputing that, but the feel and comfort of real leather is still pretty hard to rival.
     
  21. serginhobertholi

    Feb 28, 2011
    Pará - Brasil
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
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    Nike Maxim... Mercurial ShinPads... Bomba Finale Pro... Tiempo Legend 4 ACC... Mercurial Vapor 9 and Mercurial Vapor 9 CR7...

    and YOU? What's in YOUR bag?
     
  22. ejgrownarseman

    Jul 19, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cool idea. Here's what's in mine, minus the actual bag and boring things like pre wrap and tape.

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    Copas, Maracanas, and King Finales. F 50 Lesto and J Guard shin guards.

    Forgot this is the Nike thread so....how about those J Guards!?
     
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  23. GrassRouteOne

    GrassRouteOne Member

    Jun 10, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    My take on it (because everyone asked for it :D) is that synthetics might be a little bit of a topic at the moment, but that's because we're in a transitional phase.

    It's like all the great divisive ideas in the old vs. new paradigm, once the 'new' has bedded in, it can develop and leave little reason to revert back to the 'old'.

    If every sports company in the world is making synthetic boots, they'll be forced to compete with each other for purchases by making quality boots - and that's only a good thing.

    As for the industry being in a bad way - I'd have to disagree. Whilst I do wonder how much longer companies can sponsor players for as much as they do and spend so much on lucrative advertising, that's representative of a bigger problem in football - it's so full of TV money, the bubble surely has to burst.

    Personally, I don't think there's a more exciting time to be a boot fan - we've got the biggest companies making these boots that would never have existed 10 years ago, using materials that were once reserved for aircraft - and there's also room in the market for the Ryals, Pantafolas and the like.

    So much choice!
     
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  24. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I agree... but will the form of 'competition' you speak not go in the direction in quality.... but more 'flash'? Adidas, Nike, the 2 big boys continue to make these boots which HAVE gotten better on one level I must say, comfort. The Synthetics of the new Vapor is SO different than my old Vapor III's....

    But my Vapor III's (because I took care of them) lasted me something like 3-4 years with use on a turf field.

    Are the days gone of having a pair of 'copa's for a LONG time if you took good care of them? Is the norm going to be going through boots every couple of months because of defects?
     
  25. b0sk1

    b0sk1 Member+

    Jan 28, 2011
    Virginia Beach, VA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know JC said this in a post a while ago and it resonates with me on this subject. When us "older" guys were growing up synthetic material was reserved for take down models. They were the economical option and only when you started to pay more did you move up to leather. Now I know the synthetics have come a long way from what was offered on these entry level boots but I can't see how its caused them to go from being $25-$35 to a $200+ boot (we could argue oil prices but it doesn't equate to that huge of an increase). I look at the Adizero which is nothing but plastic glued to plastic and wonder why it costs that much. From a construction standpoint boots that are made now do not compare to those that were made 15 years ago. Those boots lasted, these fall apart with little use. I'm not saying companies like Nike and Adidas should stay stagnate and not try to innovate but we the consumer pay the price for new and improved gimmicks that last for only a short duration of time because the model is now to build a product as cheap as you can, sell it for as much profit (well profit and for Messi and Ronaldo's huge sponsor contract) as possible and when it breaks in 9 months the consumer will simply buy a new one.
     
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