The best players of the 1982 World Cup

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by comme, Dec 3, 2012.

  1. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    comme

    are your aware of ideal teams, ideal squads or even ratings from British publications, voices and journalists?

    Just curious and it would be interesting to see them.
     
  2. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    I can have a look at World Soccer later. I was looking at the Times archive earlier and couldn't find anything.
     
  3. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Thanks.



    As for Littbarski vs Boniek (this is for PDG). Apart from the (irrational) reasons mentioned earlier on the previous page it is good to note that Boniek scored more goals and arguably also more impressive ones (all goals scored by 'Litti' were rebounds). The hat-trick against Belgium by Boniek is of a very high quality.
    Two of the five assists of Littbarski were also simple balls over 1 to 5 meters; one ball sideways to Rummenigge who shoots the ball from outside the penalty box in the net vs Chile and another ball to the side versus Spain in front of an open goal.
    All three assists of Boniek were of a nice quality: a flicked header, a backheel assist and a lobbed through-ball.
    [take a look I'd say]

    I think the quality of his goals and assists might have had a decisive influence as well as that for many observers goals are deemed as more important as assists. So, the 'Hollywood' caliber of Boniek his decisive moves had probably a big impact (apart from that he is also in Castrol index one of the top performers). Boniek struck the eye and therefore he was included as left-midfielder in many teams I think (he was both suitable as AM and LW indeed).

    But it isn't far from unfair to include both in one and the same team, as Trapattoni did. :thumbsup:
     
  4. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Yes, would be reasonable I think.
    I understand your point about those 2 assists though the one vs Spain involved a nice turn before the pass so maybe equivalent to an immediate back-heel. He also had the pre-assist for Germany's equaliser vs France with a cross from the left wing, having assisted the previous goal scored by Rummenigge too. Not sure I've seen all of Boniek's assists actually though I certainly viewed his hat-trick vs Belgium.
     
  5. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I don't think he was that good, if you forget the fact he scored a nice goal vs West Germany. Platini complained about his defensive performances during the WC. To be fair Tresor had probably past his prime in 1982.
    Bossis was the stand-out French defender in that WC I think. His performance vs West-Germany was quite spectacular (bar his PK missing), despite playing at an unusual RB position.
     
  6. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It was a great WC overall, and there were so many strong performances that there is hardly a consensus amongst different publications. Here is my team:

    Zoff
    Amoros-Scirea-Tigana-Junior
    Falcao-Giresse-Socrates-Boniek
    Zico-Rossi
     
  7. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Feb 21, 2003
    No team of the tournament, but it was commented in a brief review (the total tournament coverage was over multiple issues) that NKono, Dasaev, Passarella, Scirea, Stielike, Bossis, Junior, Rossi, Zico, Lato, Socrates, Maradona all impressed.
     
  8. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    The tournament was one month and they covered it in multiple issues? Very strange.

    Anyhow, what I wanted to say is that Tigana did not play as center back and what might count against him is that he only played five games, including the third place match and a 15 minutes appearance in the match against England. He impressed though against Austria (in which Platini did not play) and stayed in the team. All in all he only played three full games that mattered: Austria, Northern-Ireland and West-Germany.
     
  9. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Tigana as CB? kidding me no? He was a cool Center/holding midfielder a la Rijkaard, Redondo or Vieira
     
  10. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    Well a preview issue, an issue that came out during the tournament, one after.
     
  11. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yes, but I wanted to include him along with the other four midfielders in the all-tournament team.
     
  12. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    OK, here it starts in spoiler tags. It was my plan to post everything in one and the same post but that gives a few issues I see. Keep in mind that he was in Spain itself.

    Key comments first column:
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    He mentions how it is debated in Spain among followers if and how the culture of rough play in Spain will spill over on the World Cup itself.

    Most teams play from a defensive position he says with France as nice exception.

    He predicts that Brazil will be a nice exception but "they play a kind of football we are not used to. The pace is only on a few moments high. They play static but nonetheless technically perfect football that usually only explodes near the penalty area. It attracts the European people because the Brazilians like to have the ball in possession.
    The current Germany team can play roughly and remotely like that too, if they use the right players but the preparation showed an economical approach, with as key ingredient the patience to wait for a mistake and then rapidly storm to the opposing goal. And we know of course that their key weapon will always be those last 10 minutes in a game."

    "Every tournament has outsiders too. Calling names is difficult this time with many dark horses. If I have to make an educated guess, I would say that Scotland has big chances to surprise."


    Next comments:
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    In the next comments and columns he does not say very relevant things in relation to the games of this tournament but he says among other things that he receives a lot of remarks from others about 'why isn't Holland here?' and 'why did you not go to Argentina four years earlier?' About the second thing he says that he isn't "in the position" to tell a lot about it but he vaguely remarked that "credibility and responsibility are valuable aspects."

    In column before the opening game (Belgium-Argetina) he said the following:
    • Opening games are rarely nice and attractive matches to watch. They are nevertheless interesting.
    • The Belgians will suffer from the absence of Walter Meeuws who he sees as important. He expects that the Belgians will play from a defensive position and will be focused on "the scarce chances they get".
    • Argentina is the "big unknown despite being defending champion". The tournament is this time not played in their own country and their status puts them under severe pressure.
    • "The question here is 'what will Maradona do?' I have my own question marks. He is only 21 years old and it is impossible to have all the required experience at that age. Voiced comparisons with Pelé at the age of 17 are wrong. Pelé was the icing on the cake while Maradona is pressurized to be the cake itself. Brazil at that time faced weakened opponents too while that will not be the case this time. The main opponents will arrive on full strength."
     
  13. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Next part (it were 11 pieces in total but I will not cover everything in length)

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    After the opening game he remarked:

    "That was a big hit for the men of Menotti. But as world champion you are, certainly in an opening game, under intense pressure. This leaded to the surprising but certainly not undeserved win of the Belgians."

    "An hour long it did not differ from previous opening matches. By definition those are not entertaining because of the high incentives to play cautionary and risk-less. I believe that if the Belgians had played with more aggression, the Argentinians had faced an even crazier outcome. Argentina wasn't allowed to lose and this was visible in their 'playing type' they utilized. After the Belgian goal they were forced to play differently [...], the last half our of the match was attractive with various chances."

    "The Belgians played with a big amount of nerves but created despite that a few chances. Even after the goal you did not see a certain relief, they remained equally nervous."

    "The Argentinians started very careful. After a while it got better but it was way too individualistic and therefore a proper functioning framework was not in place."

    Cruijff says that the Belgians had a few good performing players in the match: Pfaff, Gerets and Coeck. Vercauteren was their best man [in Castrol ranking he is indeed the best ranked Belgian btw].
    The Argentinians had "paradoxically" because they tried to play individualistic, no outstanding individuals this match. The best one was Maradona he said. "Maradona made a few good passes but overall not a lot succeeded from an individual perspective. If the others play for themselves too, you have too few passing options on the ball and you will not achieve a lot in this way."

    Last 10 minutes of the game was again defensive, "the familiar Belgian game which they master quite well".

    "From a tactical point of view I have not seen anything new. Both teams resorted to protective ball possession with as result that the other hopefully does not get a lot of chances but your own team will not create a lot either. Overall too few chances from both sides were created.

    Some asked whether the Belgians overachieved this day. I'd say that this is not the case. They utilized the game types they are used to and had success with it. They have a few good players, although some of them not in their best shape, and played the type of game they have mastered and the Argentinians could not answer. With less nerves the outcome could have been even more spectacular."
     
  14. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    How does this look as a potential rating?

    Goalkeepers
    Dino Zoff ***
    Rinat Dasaev ***
    Thomas N’Kono **
    Peter Shilton *

    Fullbacks

    Claudio Gentile ***
    Junior **
    Antonio Cabrini **
    Eric Gerets **

    Leandro *

    Mick Mills *
    Central defenders

    Gaetano Scirea ***

    Fulvio Collovati **


    Karlheinz Forster **

    Marius Tresor *


    Uli Stielike *
    Daniel Passarella *
    Luisinho *
    Maxime Bossis *

    Central midfielders

    Paulo Roberto Falcao ***

    Marco Tardelli **

    Jean Tigana *
    Toninho Cerezo *
    Osvaldo Ardiles *
    Paul Breitner *

    Attacking midfielders
    Alain Giresse ***
    Socrates **

    Giancarlo Antognoni *

    Lakhdar Belloumi *
    Michel Platini *
    Wingers
    Bruno Conti ***

    Pierre Littbarski **

    Eder *
    Gregorz Lato *
    Forwards
    Zico ***

    Zbigniew Boniek ***

    Karl-Heinz Rummenigge **

    Strikers

    Paolo Rossi ***

    Gerry Armstrong *
     
  15. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Remarks about the USSR-Brazil and England-France games:

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    USSR-Brazil
    "It almost became a second surprise. The Soviets did not care a lot about the status of Brazil and that is how I like to see it. You do not always win against the emperor but the emperor might lose some of his cloths.
    They took the lead after 30 minutes and in a stadium like that one it is an important moment. If you are pressurized like this, which was the case with the Brazilians, you certainly get into trouble, and if you still manage to come back you must be one of the favorites to advance far in the tournament."

    "The Russians were surprising. They were remarkably good with coherent and grouped action, accompanied by pace and liveliness. They did not lose their focus or mind, as they sometimes do, and were better as they have been before in the past dozen [12] years, outside of their home territory. The total squad was calm and tranquil throughout the game.
    The Russians were two times clearly deprived of a penalty kick. In those realistic circumstances Brazil would have faced an even more difficult situation.
    The Russians played after their goal gradually more defensive but although I'm not a doctor I think it was caused by the intense heat. Brazil can cope better with weather circumstances like this.
    In my experience it was a wonderful match. Extremely good with as best Brazilian Socrates. He appeared to be a good playmaker who did not only play horizontal but also frequently vertical at the right moments. Weak spots are Serginho and also Eder who despite his goal did not put enough inspiration and fantasy in his game, and looks like a liability without the ball."

    England-France:
    In his view the game disappointed a bit. According to him the heat of 35 degrees was the main reason. "It made the game slow with too few flashy and spry moments."

    "The English win was very deserved. The French came of course into trouble by the early goal of Robson."

    Cruijff was surprised by the fielding of goalkeeper Ettori by Hidalgo. Cruijff castigates him and sees him with "1.74 as too short for a goalkeeper. I'm in favor of breaking taboos but taunting the natural laws have a certain limit.". He spends a big deal of his space about the performance of this goalkeeper, who he saw as the main reason for why England won ("doesn't give confidence to your defense" and elaborations like that).

    Cruijff had no idea about how far the English would reach. "They have a lot of new names in the squad and that a guy like Hoddle is on the bench is a writing on the wall. By the way, with Kuwait and Czechoslovakia in the group progressing should not be a big problem for them."

    "Predictions are hard to make, especially about things that take place later on. We have seen Germany losing against Algeria, after this match I don't know any more what the future has to offer right now."
     
  16. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Puck, thanks - I'm reading those comments and I'll continue to take interest in the rest of them. Good addition to the thread, and might help comme's analysis further too.

    comme - that looks pretty good to me I think. First impressions for possible alterations might be:

    a) We'd maybe need to study in detail all the France and Italy games but possibly Gentile could be 'centre-back' and Bossis 'full-back'. Gentile marked Zico, Maradona and Littbarski I believe and generally took the man-marker role. If he lined-up as a full-back at times it might confuse matters. Bossis played mainly full-back vs Germany (actually on both sides intermitently it seems with Amoros switching with him - I don't know whether Amoros might be worth a place too actually as he did emerge and was voted the young player of the tournament in hindsight recently, but babaorum might have a view on that again).

    b) Again on Gentile and Bossis, I'd be tempted to give them both 2 stars perhaps but that's just me - no doubt Gentile had a big effect but the number of fouls maybe takes the shine off for me while Bossis as mentioned was great vs Germany apart from the penalty - defensively as well as on the ball as he seemed to often get into a central position to make an interception etc, and I've seen other impressive pieces of play from the tournament from him. Like I say though, maybe just a personal view and partly based on preferred playing style etc. I would agree with a movement of one star for one or the other or both though.

    c) On Littbarski - position could arguably be forward rather than winger I think particularly when Rummenigge wasn't on the pitch. Also personally I'd feel a rating at least equal to Conti would be appropriate but again just a personal impression. With Poland I believe playing a 4 man midfield so an ageing Lato mainly as a midfield winger on the right, the other wingers in the list are all midfielders anyway while Littbarski played more as an attacker though he did great work on both wings so it's debateable but thought I'd mention it anyway.

    d) Possibly Rocheteau could be added to the attacking positions, but maybe I'm concentrating too much on the Northern Ireland game - I guess forward would suit him better than striker but probably not winger after France switched to 2 forwards and 4 midfielders (the start of the Magic Square I suppose).

    Great idea to do this anyway comme and I think the selections are pretty much spot on. Some might say Zico could do slightly more but he could afford to be seen like that and still be a 3 star player I think. Could the same logic be applied to give Platini 2 stars despite his fitness troubles/not showing his very best form generally? - Maybe but 1 star seems ok especially if Maradona isn't listed at all.
     
  17. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    I know Conti ranked high in the Ballon d'Or of that year but he was indeed not often included in teams of the tournament.
    Castrol has him on place 25, exactly one place lower as Maradona (on 24).

    Is there a good reason to give him three stars? Any outstanding games with goals or assists? He had at least less than two assists in the tournament.

    Not to bash him but just as question.

    I'd give three stars to Littbarski as well, he was just unlucky that Boniek was a candidate for 'his' position in all star teams.
     
  18. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Agree with you Puck: Conti had a strong WC but nothing to place him in an all-WC side, in fact Antognioni was better until his injury, also it's worth remembering his missed pk in the final, which ultimately didn't hurt Italy and he comes out unscathed for it. Eder was much stronger except of course in the match against Italy where he disappeared, but Conti didn't shine in that game either (with Orialli and Graziani providing the assists to Rossi, besides Cerezo :D).

    I find the comments by Cruyff very Eurocentric and inaccurate, Argentina were closer to tying the score (Maradona hit the post off a free kick) than Belgium were to expanding the lead. Also, it wasn't the heat that made USSR lose to Brazil, the Brazilians went relentlessly after the win, and it was just a matter of time. Dasaev's brilliance kept them in the game til the end.
     
  19. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Of course Cruijff was very "Eurocentric" - however his comments most of the time is straight from his thought ... (right or wrong? depends) he was not a "diplomatic type"

    well Gentille was a main RB for Italy. Only in the games vs Brazil and Argentina he got a "MISSION" to mark Zico/Maradona so that he had right to leave his post -
     
  20. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Every analysis, be it from journalists, a statistic or whatever, distorts and simplifies reality. It neglects details by definition.
    However, the examples you give are in my view not very strong.

    This a view you are allowed to have but to cite a free kick moment is not very strong. I think most analysts focus on the patterns, tactics and displays in open play. They look at if and how sides are able to enforce their will on others and create chances. A potential free kick goal counts the same as an attack where the opposing defense is totally unraveled, but it is logical that analysts focus on the latter. Most free kicks don't hit the target (even the best takers miss more attempts than they hit) and most analysts will find it more interesting to see and describe what takes place in open play. In sum: I think he was like any other analyst more focused on the way the chances were created in open play.

    You can interpret it in various ways but he actually did say that Brazil came back strong from a difficult situation and he mentions that as reason why he sees Brazil as one of the main favorites. The way they came back from behind underlined their role of favorite.

    Comments about Argentina-Hungary and Germany-Chile
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    He says that both teams came back strong after their defeat in the first match.

    He congratulates the Argentinian team and said that Maradona was great. "This time everything went in his way, you might say that Argentina is still in the race thanks to him." He still thought that his team mates did not help him a lot. "It is a matter of chicken and egg in this case. The individual unpredictability of Maradona is his main asset and tendency but the way the others behave and position will also naturally force him to pursue individual adventures. From my perspective Maradona would be even more individually effective if the others provide 'safety valves'. In the form of passing outlets for example."

    He says that the Barcelona newspapers castigated Maradona after the first game but that he is now suddenly the "holy Messiah". "That is how the local culture works in practice over here."

    He also mentions the strong defense of Argentina. "They departed their work from an organized defense. This good functioning defense provided a strong platform for the others to continue their work."

    About Germany he says that Derwall made the right choice in letting his team intact. Hrubesch and Breitner were on the verge to lose their place [according to Cruijff] but according to him the "criticized Derwall" made the right decision. His team needed a motivational approach and Germans are traditionally susceptible to get this right and effective motivation rapidly. Not for the first time they showed an "impressive dedication." It was a big departure from the previous game, which says something about Derwall and the team itself.
    "It is still not as fluid as they are able to play, with the resources they have."

    "Although it was still not a convincing display, it was in my view a big improvement over the match against Algeria."

    He says that Rummenigge scored three goals against Chile but despite that it "wasn't the usual Rummenigge". "It were perfect goals but it was obvious that he could not play on full power. He was not a single time speedy on the ball, or showed a usual sprint nor his muscular strength."
    "That is worrisome because nobody will score in every game three goals. They never relied on the individual input of a few players but in my view he is the only super talent they have at the moment. Why do I say that? Because he usually has an effective input, actions clearly originating from him, in almost every game."

    He ends with the statement that the expansion isn't a success but nevertheless the "minnows" contributed a lot to the joy of this World Championships. "Not only because of the upsets, but also the level a reasonable amount shows here."
     
  21. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Thanks. Bergomi played a few minutes in the tournament I think and IIRC Italy sometimes had 5 defenders (including in the Final unless I'm mistaken). So, I'm not sure without checking/studying (could look at teams on Planet World Cup to get a clue I suppose...) whether there was a different right-back lined-up at times with him playing as a man marker and Scirea as a free sweeper. One source even described him as a DM when he was tracking Zico/Maradona/Littbarski I think but in that tournament they all played more in the attack than midfield and Gentile still seemed like a defender from what I saw. Probably full-back is ok for him though indeed, while we maybe just need to confirm where Bossis was playing in all the games before classifying him - seems to be full-back though I think judging by these two line-ups from Planet World Cup (and mainly left back I believe with the Germany game as exception; btw Janvion was a centre-back):
    Vs West Germany
    http://www.planetworldcup.com/CUPS/1982/sf_ger_v_fra.html
    GOALS 17' 1-0 Pierre Littbarski
    26' 1-1 Michel Platini (penalty)
    92' 1-2 Marius Tresor (assist - Alain Giresse)
    98' 1-3 Alain Giresse (assist - Didier Six)
    102' 2-3 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (assist - Pierre Littbarski)
    108' 3-3 Klaus Fischer (assist - Horst Hrubesch)

    PENALTIES Goal 0-1 Alain Giresse (FRA)
    Goal 1-1 Manfred Kaltz (GER)
    Goal 1-2 Manuel Amoros (FRA)
    Goal 2-2 Paul Breitner (GER)
    Goal 2-3 Dominique Rocheteau (FRA)
    Miss 2-3 Uli Stielike (GER)
    Miss 2-3 Didier Six (FRA)
    Goal 3-3 Pierre Littbarski (GER)
    Goal 3-4 Michel Platini (FRA)
    Goal 4-4 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (GER)
    Miss 4-4 Maxime Bossis (FRA)
    Goal 5-4 Horst Hrubesch (GER)


    REFEREE Charles Corver (Netherlands)
    LINESMEN Bob Valentine (Scotland)
    Bruno Galler (Switzerland)

    YELLOW CARDS 35' Alain Giresse (FRA)
    40' Bernard Genghini (FRA)
    46' Bernd Förster (GER)

    RED CARDS -

    ATTENDANCE 63,000




    WEST GERMANY AGE D.O.B. CLUB
    1 GK Harald Schumacher 28 06 Mar 1954 1.FC Cologne
    2 DF Hans-Peter Briegel (-97) 26 11 Oct 1955 1.FC Kaiserslautern
    4 DF Karlheinz Förster 23 25 Jul 1958 VfB Stuttgart
    5 DF Bernd Förster 26 03 May 1956 VfB Stuttgart
    15 DF Uli Stielike 27 15 Nov 1954 Real Madrid (SPA)
    20 DF Manfred Kaltz (c) 29 06 Jan 1953 Hamburger SV
    3 MD Paul Breitner 30 05 Sep 1951 Bayern Munich
    6 MD Wolfgang Dremmler 27 12 Jul 1954 Bayern Munich
    7 MD Pierre Littbarski 22 16 Apr 1960 1.FC Cologne
    14 MD Felix-Wolfgang Magath (-73) 28 26 Jul 1953 Hamburger SV
    8 FW Klaus Fischer 32 27 Dec 1949 1.FC Cologne

    Substitutes
    9 FW Horst Hrubesch (+73) 31 17 Apr 1951 Hamburger SV
    11 FW Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (+97) 26 25 Sep 1955 Bayern Munich

    Coach: Jupp Derwall 55 10 Mar 1927



    FRANCE AGE D.O.B. CLUB
    22 GK Jean-Luc Ettori 26 29 Jul 1955 AS Monaco
    2 DF Manuel Amoros 20 01 Feb 1962 AS Monaco
    4 DF Maxime Bossis 27 26 Jun 1955 FC Nantes
    5 DF Gerard Janvion 28 21 Aug 1953 Saint Etienne
    8 DF Marius Tresor 32 15 Jan 1950 Girondins Bordeaux
    9 MD Bernard Genghini (-50) 24 18 Jan 1958 Sochaux
    10 MD Michel Platini (c) 27 21 Jun 1955 Saint Etienne
    12 MD Alain Giresse 29 02 Sep 1952 Girondins Bordeaux
    14 MD Jean Tigana 27 23 Jun 1955 Girondins Bordeaux
    18 FW Dominique Rocheteau 27 14 Jan 1955 Paris St Germain
    19 FW Didier Six 27 21 Aug 1954 VfB Stuttgart (GER)

    Substitutes
    3 DF Patrick Battiston (-60)(+50) 25 12 Mar 1957 Saint Etienne
    6 DF Christian Lopez (+60) 29 15 Mar 1953 Saint Etienne

    Coach: Michel Hidalgo 49 22 Mar 1933


    vs Northern Ireland
    http://www.planetworldcup.com/CUPS/1982/ph2gr4_fra_v_nir.html
    GOALS 33' 1-0 Alain Giresse (assist - Michel Platini)
    47' 2-0 Dominique Rocheteau
    68' 3-0 Dominique Rocheteau (assist - Didier Six)
    75' 3-1 Gerry Armstrong
    80' 4-1 Alain Giresse (assist - Jean Tigana)


    REFEREE Alojzy Jarguz (Poland)
    LINESMEN Yusef Mohammed El Ghoul (Libya)
    Nicolai Rainea (Romania)

    YELLOW CARDS 57' Jean Tigana (FRA)
    59' Billy Hamilton (NIR)

    RED CARDS -

    ATTENDANCE 37,000




    FRANCE AGE D.O.B. CLUB
    22 GK Jean-Luc Ettori 26 29 Jul 1955 AS Monaco
    2 DF Manuel Amoros 20 01 Feb 1962 AS Monaco
    4 DF Maxime Bossis 27 26 Jun 1955 FC Nantes
    5 DF Gerard Janvion 28 21 Aug 1953 Saint Etienne
    8 DF Marius Tresor 32 15 Jan 1950 Girondins Bordeaux
    9 MD Bernard Genghini 24 18 Jan 1958 Sochaux
    10 MD Michel Platini (c) 27 21 Jun 1955 Saint Etienne
    12 MD Alain Giresse 29 02 Sep 1952 Girondins Bordeaux
    14 MD Jean Tigana 27 23 Jun 1955 Girondins Bordeaux
    18 FW Dominique Rocheteau (-83) 27 14 Jan 1955 Paris St Germain
    20 FW Gerard Soler (-63) 28 29 May 1954 Girondins Bordeaux

    Substitutes
    16 FW Alain Couriol (+83) 23 24 Oct 1958 AS Monaco
    19 FW Didier Six (+63) 27 21 Aug 1954 VfB Stuttgart (GER)

    Coach: Michel Hidalgo 49 22 Mar 1933



    NORTHERN IRELAND AGE D.O.B. CLUB
    1 GK Pat Jennings 37 12 Jun 1945 Arsenal (ENG)
    2 DF Jimmy Nicholl 25 28 Dec 1956 Toronto Blizzard (CAN)
    3 DF Mal Donaghy 24 13 Sep 1957 Luton Town (ENG)
    5 DF Chris Nicholl 35 12 Oct 1946 Southampton (ENG)
    12 DF John McClelland 26 07 Dec 1955 Glasgow Rangers (SCO)
    4 MD David McCreery (-86) 24 16 Sep 1957 Tulsa Roughnecks (USA)
    8 MD Martin O'Neill (c) 30 01 Mar 1952 Norwich City (ENG)
    10 MD Sammy McIlroy 27 02 Aug 1954 Stoke City (ENG)
    9 FW Gerry Armstrong 28 23 May 1954 Watford (ENG)
    11 FW Billy Hamilton 25 09 May 1957 Burnley (ENG)
    16 FW Norman Whiteside 17 07 May 1965 Manchester Utd (ENG)

    Substitutes
    6 DF John O'Neill (+86) 24 11 Mar 1958 Leicester City (ENG)

    Coach: Billy Bingham 50 05 Aug 1931
     
  22. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    On a related note, I guess that tactic of having the right-back mark the star player was similar to what Germany did with Vogts on Cruyff in '74. I guess Rensenbrink carrying an injury gave the Netherlands less scope to exploit the space on the left-flank because I'd have been tempted to play him higher and wider than usual on the wing I think faced with that situation (that's what I'd do on Championship Manager anyway if I actually noticed what was going on!:laugh:).

    That sort of tactic was never really a Nottingham Forest type tactic, but I do remember when Stuart Pearce had taken over as manager in the relegation season 96/97 that using a defender as a defensive midfielder was sometimes the chosen option (Haaland played the role like a midfielder, but Lyttle was occasionally used as a man maker vs the likes of Zola of Chelsea or Juninho of Middlesbrough IIRC with some success actually).
     
  23. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
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    After two weeks he said that the teams that entertained him and played according to their potential were Brazil ("which is already qualified"), USSR and Yugoslavia.

    A player that surprised him after two full rounds of matches was the Yugoslavian Edhem Sljivo [indeed the best ranked non-defender of Yugoslavia in Castrol ratings]. "Perfect in his passes, horizontal as well as vertical. He shows to have a good, precise and clean shot, and is a master of the smart dribble as well."

    He looks forward with great interest to the match Argentina-Brazil. "It is also interesting because the match will be played in Barcelona. One of the teams will go home early which is a pity, both teams have the quality to claim a spot among the last four."

    He sees it as an organizational mistake that the game will not be played in Camp Nou, whose capacity was extended solely for the World Cup, but in the smaller stadium of Espanyol.

    In a later piece he told about a visit to the Brazil camp. He had a talk with Tele Santana. He mentions how his predecessor Coutinho had not start any preparation for the 1982WC two years earlier. "Good material was available when he [Santana] started. Players like Zico, Socrates, Junior and Eder were already in the team for Brazil. But there was one substantial problem. Playing football is in principal no issue for them, that is already in the base. To the extent the top talents lacked elementary qualities, they learned it over the years. Brazilians are naturally good ball handlers, sooner or later. But after that phase Santana started to work and shave by doing running exercises with the ball. Always with the ball, every physical, positional and team exercise is done with the ball.
    They always had sufficient amounts of 'running power' and individual technique but with the ball in possession the players were sometimes inapt, incompetent and clueless. Santana has worked on this aspect and that is their big improvement."
     
  24. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    I also have some Pelé columns by the way. Maybe also funny to post a few key things but often they are filled with commonplaces IMO and he also bashed Maradona in a few comments - yes, already in 1982. Some comments also made sense though.
     
  25. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    As in every World Cup there was controversy about refereeing. Six referees were sent home prematurely after the first round.

    Stupar : France-Kuwait 4:1
    Lund-Sorensen: Spain - Yugoslavia 2:1
    Castillo : Brazil - USSR 2:1
    Ortiz : Spain - Northern-Ireland 0:1
    Lacarne: Argentina - Hungary 4:1
    Barrancos: Argentina - El Salvador 2:0

    Those 'failed' the test so to speak.

    Those were sent home by the FIFA earlier than planned. In some cases like Castillo and Stupar the public scrutiny and pressure was also high (like the famous Arab sheikh on the field).
     

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