Re: Mejores Futbolistas Suramericanos - Decada 80's ¿Qué tan destacado fue Caniggia? Suelo verlo en varios rankings de entre los mejores jugadores sudamericanos de las últimas décadas al lado de otros muy buenos jugadores como Batistuta o Ruggeri, pero hasta donde recuerdo su nivel fue más bien similar al de buenos jugadores pero no tan impactantes para la historia como Guillermo Barros Schelotto.
Re: Mejores Futbolistas Suramericanos - Decada 80's 1980-82 WORLD CLASS Zico - 80, 81, 82 Maradona - 80, 81, 82 Falcao - 81, 82 Junior - 81, 82 Fillol - 80 Passarella - 80 R.Paz - 80 Victorino - 80 Cueto - 81 Uribe - 81 Yañez - 81 Socrates - 82 Morena - 82
Re: Mejores Futbolistas Suramericanos - Decada 80's 1983-86 WORLD CLASS Francescoli - 84, 85 Fillol - 83, 84 Socrates - 83 Eder - 83 R.Rodriguez - 84 Bochini - 84 JC.Romero - 85 Borghi - 85 R.Fernandez - 85 Maradona - 86 Burruchaga - 86 Careca - 86 Valdano - 86
Re: Mejores Futbolistas Suramericanos - Decada 80's 1987-89 WORLD CLASS Maradona - 88, 89 Valderrama - 87 Cabañas - 87 Alzamendi - 87 R.Rojas - 87 R.Paz - 88 De Leon - 88 R.Sosa - 89 Bebeto - 89 Romario - 89
Re: Mejores Futbolistas Suramericanos - Decada 80's Did you consider Valdo or Silas at all? Two highly regarded Brazilians of the late 80s.
Re: Mejores Futbolistas Suramericanos - Decada 80's Certainly, i missed those two for a long-list. Personally, i didn't considered them in a top-3 from their positions. Maybe because of, comparising them with antecessors like Zico, Falcao or Socrates, and the next playmakers like Rai, Juninho or Rivaldo, who are top-players without any doubt.
Re: Mejores Futbolistas Suramericanos - Decada 80's The problem with Caniggia is that he was a bit unstable in his personal life, he never hang around anywhere long enough to be a legend at a club level, he was always moving. His longest stints were at Atalanta, Boca and Rangers, and he is very well remembered. But everywhere he played he was loved by the fans, because he was a difference maker. Even at River, where he played some great football as a young player, he was loved for a while, even though the fans later hated him because he moved to Boca. I don't think you can compare a player like Guille -as much as I love Guille- to Caniggia. Cannigia had world class speed and he used it very effectively. He could play wide, and as a playmaker. He was a very unselfish player who could score but liked to give assists to his teammates. Some criticized his finishing, but part of the reason is that he always looked for the assist first, maybe to a fault. When he needed to score, he was usually able to finish well. And besides, Caniggia had a long and significant career with the National Team. According to wiki he has 50 caps, though it seems like more. How many attacking players can say that? With all due respect to Guille, he hardly played for Argentina. It's not easy for an attacking player to get many chances with Argentina, unless you're very good, because the position is usually so deep. But Cani was on the squad for three World Cups and played in two of them. And, you cannot say did not have an impact. He was the best player on the team that reached the final in Italia 90, scoring the key goals against Brazil and Italy, and he also played very well in USA 94. Also he was a key player and arguably the MVP in Copa America 91. Although, on the negative side, one might speculate about the reason why Cani was taken off the lineup in 94 after Diego got caught taking illegal substances.
Re: Mejores Futbolistas Suramericanos - Decada 80's From this list of 87-89 players, i would said: 1st group: Maradona, Valderrama & Paz. 2nd group: Francescoli & Redin. 3rd group: The rest, included Valdo and Silas.
Great team, but I have to say that Sócrates wasn't a Central Midfielder at all. He was purely an Attacking Midfielder, with no defensive qualities whatsoever. He simply didn't have the stamina necessary to be a CM. He never played as a CM and hardly went back to support the defense like Falcão and Cerezo used to do. In fact, he was even criticized every once in a while for being too statical on the pitch. I would EASILY trade Francescoli's spot on the team for Sócrates: Fillol Leandro-Ruggeri-Passarella-Júnior Falcão-Cerezo Sócrates-Zico-Maradona Careca I know Brazil has a lot more players on the squad than Argentina, but let's face it: in the 80s, Argentinian football was nowhere near Brazil (even though they had Maradona).
Caniggia was awesome, a clutch player in big games. In WC94, he was injured in the first minute against Bulgaria and was out for the rest of the tournament. Here is my 80s all-SA team: Fillol Jorginho-Ruggeri-Passarella-Junior T Cerezo-Falcao-Socrates-Zico Maradona-Francescoli
Zico was not a striker. You want to be effective at scoring goals, get Careca on the team as the striker and you have the same amazing Napoli duo (Maradona + Careca). As we already discussed on the other thread (and the vast majority agreed to), Zico was a purer midfielder than Maradona: Fillol Leandro-Ruggeri-Passarella-Júnior Falcão-Cerezo Sócrates-Zico-Maradona Careca
NO I meant within your selection with Enzo as forward. Zico could do better in that position than Enzo surely. That's all
Francescoli could play as striker, he did so for River Plate during their sensational 86 campaign in Argentina and Libertadores. And he's a greater player than Careca. Also, Jorginho was already part of the Brazilian NT for CA87, and he is miles better than Leandro. Speaking of Leandro, didn't he get caught doing some hanky-panky battyboy stuff with Renato right before WC86
Francescoli is a greater player than Careca?? LOL Jorginho is also not even close to being better than Leandro. I guess you're not Brazilian...
Agree with you. Wnzo was a verygood playmaker in midfield, He played as a forward too but ... not as effective as Carreca in goals. And Leandro > Jorginho in every aspect
Exactly. Careca was a pure striker, man. He is widely regarded as the geratest Brazilian striker in the last 30 years, after Ronaldo and Romário. I mean, come on! And Leandro also receives A LOT more recognition than Jorginho, and for fair reasons.
Francescoli is a greater player than Careca, he almost invariably ranks ahead in every list I've seen. While Careca played much better at WC86, Francescoli won three Copa Americas, two Copa Libertadores and one Sudamericana, and league championships in Argentina and France. Careca may be the better forward, but Francescoli is the better player overall. Also, Leandro was only average at WC82, Jorginho played well in two WCs, in fact his performace in WC94 is the best I've seen for a right-back and far better than Leandro's in Spain.
Agree to the point Enzo > Carreca as player ... however, the best RB in WC level belonged to D Santos (58-66), Carlos Alberto WC70 and Thuram WC98! Jorginho was only better than Leandro at WC. At regular seasons Leandro was more flashy and consistent
You're saying Francescoli may have been a greater player than Careca overall because he achieved more. I don't think that is enough to make him the greater player individually. Many legendary players never won a WC and never won many important tournaments; on the other hand, many mediocre players won top tournaments in the world. As for Francescoli being the greater overall player (for OTHER reasons than the ones mentioned), I think it's more likely that midfielders are overall better players than strikers in any case you might think of, simply because their position and function requires them to be bettter overall players. Still, since what the squad lacks is a top striker, I don't see the point in sacrificing Careca, even though some might think Francescoli was a better overall player. He was certainly not a greater striker. And a great striker is what is missing on the squad (and certainly, there's no space for Francescoli in a midfield that has Cerezo, Falcão, Zico, Sócrates and Maradona). Careca is the name, mate.
I'd easily add Cafu in that Top 4. No other Right-Back in history came close to those four, as far as I'm concerned (only counting from 1950 onwards).
The idea in this thread is made a long list of (+/- 10) the best SA players by position every 3-4 years during the 80s. As a second idea, i liked to categorized each role's list into groups, considering their peak in that specific era. For example: legendary class / world class / international class (arguably two more). In this context, i will post a nice list that i found about 1980 year in South America.