The Senate

Discussion in 'Elections' started by Revolt, Feb 11, 2008.

  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    You're offended as an agnostic.

    I'm offended as a Christian. The guy's theology is completely ********ed up and anti-Biblical and secular. He's using a secular issue and secular views on that issue and shoehorning them in a anti-Biblical way into his beliefs.
     
  2. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
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    More as philosophy major than agnostic.

    But I was prepared to give him credit for meaning that the conception was God's intent not the rape.

    Its where interjecting speculation as to God's intentions to an abortion discussion is bound to lead that I find objectionable...
     
  3. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

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    That's probably what he meant, but that doesn't let him off the hook in my opinion. He successfully defended himself from the "you're an evil dick" charge, but not from the "you're an idiot and you're not making sense" charge.

    Seriously, based on what logic might one argue that the conception was God's intent, but that the rape was not?
     
  4. Dr. Wankler

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    All the while pretending his views ARE biblical AND anti-secular.
     
  5. Minnman

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  6. Yoshou

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    Daaaaaaaamn. That's two senate seats the Republicans handed the Dems if that poll is accurate.. There's no way Dems should have been competitive in MO or IN.
     
  7. Germerica

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  8. Yoshou

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  9. Boloni86

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    Amy Klobuchar (Dem) is up something like 35 points on Kurt Bills (Rep) in the MN senate race.

    We're also stealing a Republican congressional seat next week giving Democrats 5 of the 8 in the state.

    And we will give Obama a 5+ point victory .

    It's a fun year to vote for me.
     
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  10. Yoshou

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    Who'd of thunk that the Dems could actually pick up a seat in this election...
     
  11. NMMatt

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    Apr 5, 2006
    Who'd have thunk that the Republicans would run on rape, though I suppose you could have seen that coming after the primaries. You would think that the first rule of politics should be that no good ever comes from bringing up the "issue" of rape unprompted.
     
  12. Hararea

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    Jan 21, 2005
    If you mean that the Dems would never have unseated Dick Lugar in Indiana, you're certainly right. But once the Republicans did that for them, this was always a very winnable race. The Dems are fortunate to have a strong nominee in Donnelly, and they should've been supporting him far better than they were. They shouldn't have needed Mourdock to shoot himself in the foot.
     
  13. Matrim55

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    There are still competitive races in Montana, Nevada, Arizona and Nebraska as well. GOP lean in all of them, but I wouldn't bet too strongly against Reid's machine in Nevada, and Kerry has very good name recognition and GotV folks in Nebraska. Any of those seats would be the cherry on top, no doubt about it.
     
  14. ceezmad

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    * Well Gov. Angus Kingin Maine is running independent but will probably caucus with the Democrats.

    So technically we could say it is looking like a draw, swapping North Dakota and Nebraska for Indiana and Massachusetts (were a former Democrat stepped down).

    So the Republicans are losing 3 seats and gaining 2 C -1
    The Independents are losing 1 seat and gaining 1* C 0
    The Democrats are losing 2 seats and gaining 2 C 0

    What am I missing? that makes no sense.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/senate/2012_elections_senate_map_no_toss_ups.html
     
  15. Yoshou

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    Angus. :)

    Republicans lose three seats, Dems lose 2, plus pick up Angus, who caucuses with Dems.
     
  16. ceezmad

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    But one of the seats the dem's are picking up is an Independent seat (Liberman).

    Ah I see, the Republicans are only losing 2 seats, not 3.

    So Reps lose Maine and Indiana but pick up North Dakota and Nebraska

    Dems lose Nebraska and North Dakota but pick up Massachusetts and Indiana.

    Independents lose Massachusetts but pick up Maine.

    So it all stays the same right?

    How things were looking a draw is a great result for the Democrats.
     
  17. Yoshou

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    No... Republicans are losing Maine, Indiana, and Massachusetts. Lieberman is retiring, but he caucuses with the Dems so the Dems winning that seat is a wash... Dems are losing Nebraska and North Dakota. With Angus caucusing with the Dems, the end result is Dems +1...
     
  18. Boloni86

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    Too early to tell. There's still several races that could go either way like Montana and Wisconsin
     
  19. ceezmad

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    ah, Lieberman is Connecticut, my bad.

    So Lieberman and Angus are a wash and the Dems go +1 Reps -1, got it.
     
  20. superdave

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    If Obama wins AND the Dems pick up a Senate seat AND the Dems pick up a bunch of House seats but not enough to take the House, I wonder what the direction of the next congressional term will be.
     
  21. Yoshou

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    The same as the last... Just hopefully with some filibuster reform so they can at least get something done in the Senate.
     
  22. Boloni86

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    It'll change a bit. Tea Partiers from competitive districts will have temper their extremism
     
  23. ceezmad

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    I don't think any Tea Party returning senators are up this election.

    I know that that has helped the Democrats in Indiana and in Missouri (or is it Arkansas? I forget, the Akin guy).

    How many moderate senators were knocked out by Tea Party members? How many of them will win compared to the 2 that will lose?
     
  24. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
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    Sunday night football was hammered tonight by a PAC buy opposing Democratic incumbent Martin Heinrich.

    Its tag message was "New Mexico can't afford Martin Heinrich's reckless spending and risky [spending] cuts."

    So whatever the problem actually is, they want to be sure you understand that its all Martin's fault...
     
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  25. Yoshou

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    10 point advantage in the polls... Can't help but feel that PAC just flushed its money down the toilet.
     

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