Would be nice to finally get a MLS team in new york, as that is a huge market. To bad it looks like the original article was a little off.
What makes you so sure? Last I checked the NASL team held the rights to the name. And so far nothing has indicated their ownership is in the lead to be the owners of MLS 20.
There already is one in New York. "But its in Harrison, NJ!" And Dallas plays in Frisco, and LA plays in Carson, Chicago plays in Bridgeview, Philadelphia plays in Chester, San Jose plays in Santa Clara, Salt Lake plays in Sandy. (The Rapids, Chivas, and the Revs don't claim to be in a specific city). The teams that actually play IN their city are LA, Portland, Seattle, DC, Houston, Kansas City, and the Canadian teams. In other words, get over yourself about this "Finally! A team in New York!" I guarantee you a group of fans in Orlando wouldn't care if the stadium was built in Oviedo. This is why nobody outside of NYC cares, you folks complain too much and are a bunch of spoiled crybabies. Edit: I see you're from Seattle. My apologies: Instead of "you folks", replace that with "Folks in NYC"... although people in Seattle are crybabies too. Some would say they even invented it ;-)
Red Bulls would get a bigger draw if they had some dam parking! ---It all doesn't really matter tho, because there is always room in the NY metro area for dual teams in any major league sport
I think they were referring to the "...This is another thing about this deal that just pisses me off. The league just swoops in and will build a stadium for a team that doesn't even exist yet..................... Why isn't the league doing anything for these ACTUAL teams who already have ACTUAL fans and ACTUAL players?...." part of your post. Not to speak for Superdave or Mr. Warmth but they probably realize that the league is not paying one dime for the NY1 stadium and the costs associated with negotiating with various levels of gov't to cut a deal for the NY1 Investor/Operator to build the Queens stadium will be money well spent when they cash the $80m to $100m expansion fee cheque. They also know that MLS has helped a lot if not all clubs with their various stadium situations before they became part of the league (TFC, Portland, Montreal, Philly to name a few) and also after they joined (RSL, Chicago, Houston, San Jose, DC, FCD, Colorado, LA, SKC ..... actually all of them save New England and Chivas I think). Just because United still play at RFK doesn't mean MLS has not tried to help them. I think people get 'facts' confused with 'opinion' sometimes. Like you saying Red Bull NY will lose fans and then fold earlier in the thread. Would you care to play a wager on that?
Yes, SJ plays in Santa Clara, but, Buck Shaw is only about 2 miles from downtown SJ, and the 1/4 mile move to the new stadium will put the Quakes back across the line and into SJ.
LiveStrong Sporting Park is inside the city limits of Kansas City, KS. Not sure what you mean by "city proper".
I meant "not some random suburb that happens to be across state lines and thus can have the same name as the city which is clearly the focal point of the region." Thanks for making me type it out.
The central city of the Kansas City metro area is Kansas City, MO a separate municipality with a population of approx. 460k. Kansas City, KS has 150k.
The reason why the Red Bulls don't get a lot a fans is because they have put the stadium in an area that although is convienient to Manhattan, it's a pain to get to from Brooklyn, Queens, and Long Island. It's probably similar with the LA Galaxy in that their stadium location has excluded fans from certain parts of the city. It doesn't help that ads are non-existant and New York fans are known for only supporting constant winners.
The effort/resources put into the other stadiums PALES in comparison to this. If they're willing to put so much effort into getting downtown NYC, why not put the same effort into a downtown stadium for Colorado, LA/CHV, FCD, Chicago, Columbus, etc.? Also, I would actually be willing to put a wager on the Red Bulls folding. But, since we don't know each other and can't, I'll just say it here; within 10 years after NY2 comes in, the Red Bulls fold. If we ever meet, we can shake hands . I'll put 10 dollars down, 1 for each year.
You cant answer your own question on why NY2 is not a more important investment the Colorado? And what reasoning or facts are you using that makes you believe the RB's will fold? They seem much more invested then alot of MLS teams.
OK, but NYC is in NY STATE, not in NEW JERSEY !!!! The same strange situation exists also with Sporting Kansas City.
this is because your not familiar with these markets, NYC has a huge influence in the tri-state area where new jersey, conn., and new york all meet. I'm sure you wouldnt say that NYC has more influence on Buffalo N.Y then it does in Newark N.J right?
I absolutely can. MLS doesn't need two teams in any markets yet (see Chivas). Eventually, absolutely, but let the teams arise organically, on their own, which is NOT what's happening right now. Yes, the RB are very heavily invested. The thing about investments is that they eventually have to give a return, and with NY2 coming in, I don't see RB getting much of a return with the lion's share of fans (and thus revenue) going to NY2.
Chivas might inevitably have to be re-branded, but I disagree with your two team opinion, for MLS to be succesfull, NY has to lead the way. And this comes from a NY hating Sounder fan who believes Seattle is soccer central u.s.a without a close second. But for this league that I love to thrive, NY and L.A must have thriving teams bringing in big money, and generating big time interest on a NATIONAL level. As amazing as I believe Seattle is, getting 50,000 for games up here only feeds the perception of the rest of the country that soccer in the u.s is a "fringe" sport. If you want MLS to gain the same level of interest as MLB/NFL/NBA, we need stupid ass NY to be wildly successfull just like Portland/Seattle. So bring on the Cosmo's ! Re-brand Chivas! and let's watch the national profile of MLS continue to grow.
Those teams you mention already have a stadium and all those stadiums are fairly new besides maybe Columbus. They are not getting a new stadium anytime soon despite what MLS does so why would the league waste resources on pursuing something that just isnt possible. All of those markets are capable of selling out their stadium week after week if the ownership of each team puts in the right effort to do so. They need to learn how to penetrate their market and execute. When you have a MSA of a few million people, getting 20k or less out to a game a week is not out of the question and even doable. I also think the idea of NYRB folding is ridiculous. Red Bull has far too much invested in the team for them to fold. Just because they arent selling out doesnt mean they cannot make a profit. NYRB might not be getting the support everyone expects of them but a team doesnt have to sell out to be considered doing well. They are still averaging a decent amount of fans. Getting a second team could actually increase interest in the Red Bulls if the second team can get the NY audience more interested in the overall product that the league offers.
I agree and disagree with your post. I agree that the league should allow expansion teams to come about organically rather than trying to force a team in a certain market. But, I also understand why they want another NY franchise so badly. It is all about the forthcoming TV deal that could take this league to the next level. Everyone talks about MLS 2.0 but a great TV deal in 2014 could take this league into MLS 3.0 and finally make no doubt about this league being greater than the NHL and taking another step toward the NBA. The statement that the league doesnt need two franchises in a single market is false. NY has over 10 million people within their market. They have more than enough people to support two franchises but just need the people capable of penetrating the market. NYRB has failed in this regard and I believe that isnt because the market has no interest but rather that the ownership just hasnt been able to accomplish it and the NY market just doesnt feel any connection to the team. I wouldnt be very passionate about a team owned by an energy drink company based in Austria either. If some NY owners come forward and find away to make NY feel like they have a team that is truly part of the NY culture, I think it will be overwhelmingly successful. The diverse culture and shear number of people in the market indicate that it shouldnt be difficult to do so.