News: General 2012-2013 Ligue 1 Discussion

Discussion in 'France' started by StarrMatthieu, May 22, 2012.

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  1. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Well we have 2 French internationals right now who seem desperate to leave their clubs and the clubs are fighting to keep them. Aulas rejected the original July 15 th dealine for Llloris which is nice but usually the whiny, crybaby player always wins. I'm surprised Remy isnt doing what Debuchy and Lloris are trying to do.

    Yes hopefully PSG will play Monaco next year its looking like there could be more Italians than French in the starting lineup and of course I wish half of the players will be French but I realize thats not realisitc. Hopefully those clubs wont abandon their training centers and some young French talent will become first teamers. I saw the other day Fulham signed a 16 yr old PSG player and that made me laugh how deserpate these EPL teams are and how their own English players must suck.
     
  2. zizouForlife

    zizouForlife Member

    Jun 3, 2008
    it will be interesting to see how other clubs rise up to psg
     
  3. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    There's not much they can do. Monaco and maybe a 2nd Paris team are the only clubs that could do it.
     
  4. Oort Cloud

    Oort Cloud Member

    Dec 19, 2007
    Marseille
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    You need to look into the Financial Fair Play. Under FFP, teams are still allowed to have net losses of €45 million through 2015 and then €30 million through 2018 as long as ownership covers the losses. PSG will still have a big advantage with QSI. But you will not be seeing this type of spending spree next Summer. Clubs will not be able to endure massive losses anymore. And thats why QSI wants expand the current Parc des Princes, so they can generate more revenue. OM and OL are not poor teams check the link below, and that's even before are new stadiums.

    http://www.therichest.org/sports/richest-football-clubs/
     
  5. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Well they arent expanding Parc des Princes. There's just going to be basic, minimal renovations until they can figure out how and where to build a new stadium. I believe all the big clubs will find a way to circumvent Financial Fair Play. Uefa/Fifa are hapless and spineless and they dont have the brains or guts to stop these clubs who are trying to do that.
     
  6. Oort Cloud

    Oort Cloud Member

    Dec 19, 2007
    Marseille
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Well, the current plan is to do the Parc des Princes renovations in two stages. And building a new stadium in Paris would be a big headache, look what OL has gone thru. There really isn't alot of wiggle room, club sponsorship deals must be at fair market value. Real Madrid, Barca, and Man U are ahead of everbody with their massive stadiums, big sponsorship deals, and big fanbases, but even they're now watching their spending.
     
  7. StarrMatthieu

    StarrMatthieu Member+

    Dec 15, 2007
    USA/FRANCE
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    i for one really like puel more than ever and nice for that matter aways halved liked .... never really talked about it tho... i have family on my dads side whos from Nice ...! i hope nice does well there my second favorite ligue 1 team the new stadium will give the club some pride and dignity

    Ibrahimovic's signing is good for everyone in France, says Nice coach Claude Puel

    The former Olympique Lyonnais coach thinks that the Swedish star's move to PSG is a major boost to football in the country.

    http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1956...s-signing-is-good-for-everyone-in-france-says
     
  8. AfrcnHrbMan

    AfrcnHrbMan Member

    Jun 14, 2004
    Philly
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    We'll see if the tide really does rise all boats, I for one, am skeptical. I don't see how this helps any other club at all. It still comes down to if you offer a big enough salary, you can get just about anyone. Would be interesting to see who Nice could pull in if they could offer 5 or so players 150k/wk
     
  9. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Nice better hurry up. They lost 2 starters (Mounier, Clerc) and havent brought it anyone yet. Sorry but they look like a relegation candidate to me.
     
  10. NicolasN.

    NicolasN. Member

    Oct 25, 2007
    France
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    That's necessary a good thing for L1 to have someone like Zlatan Ibrahimovic. The same can be said about Lavezzi or Thiago Silva if we judge the quality of those players but in terms of image it's not the same thing as Ibrahimovic. Zlatan said today something like : "people weren't talking about L1, now that the dream came true it draws the attention" so it's a good for L1 visibility. The whole world talked about the double signing of Ibra and Thiago Silva. The mediatisation of PSG, it gave some hightlights to Montpellier abroad, last season. Financially, it also has a good impact for the other clubs with the TV rights sold abroad, u r sure that the attendance will be full against PSG...And honestly it's a good thing to see again foreigner star again in L1.

    If you are worried about L1 competitivity, you should be worried of the Hollande tax. Pretty much everybody - if you excluse youngsters who just signed a pro contract - earn more than a million euro at clubs like Lyon, Marseille, PSG . Before the Euro 2016, it would have a huge negative impact on what remains of the competivity of French football, a football already in crisis. I'm far from being convinced that the state will earn more with this tax than with the actual one, it's not as simple as some people make it out to be. Even Hollande admitted that it's useless.

    A populist tax in perfect adequation with the populism we've heard the last few days like with Bachelot who is disgusted by the salary of Zlatan and mixes everything up with amateur football while she wasted insane money during the H1N1 crisis because it was a good thing for her friends and knows nothing about amateur football. She's just trying to use that mediatic window to get some attention, it disgusts me. It reminds me of Rama Yade, during the past WC, who complained about the price tag of the players' hotel while the hotel she was supposed to sleep at was more expensive...:sick: Not to mention the quote of Hollande saying that you can win things in football without money like Montpellier which is totally ridicilous when you see the competitivity of french clubs in Europe, who earns titles usually, who end at the top of the table, who won the CL last year...

    They should be happy to see foreign investors spending money, the salary makes more tax in the pockets of the state.
     
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  11. AfrcnHrbMan

    AfrcnHrbMan Member

    Jun 14, 2004
    Philly
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I most certainly am concerned with the Hollande tax and the health of the league. And I will conceed that this could see an increase in TV revenue come into the club, but how much I can't be sure. But I have to admit it is quite grating when Zlatan says things like
    It's like he's coming in here to do Paris and the French people a favor. Thanks Zlatan I for one appreciate your altruism...
     
  12. StarrMatthieu

    StarrMatthieu Member+

    Dec 15, 2007
    USA/FRANCE
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Sébastien Corchia would be prefect but i think Losc is getting him cause Mathieu Debuchy is leaving to Inter or New Chateau :p
    Wahbi Khazri would fit in prefect too
     
  13. StarrMatthieu

    StarrMatthieu Member+

    Dec 15, 2007
    USA/FRANCE
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    you raise some good points
     
  14. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    FFP is supposed to be fair, right but whats fair about the Spanish League teams being millions and millions in debt and still being able to keep their best players ? Why should I believe FFP will be good when its not even fair now when French teams cant be in massive debt and if they where, they'd be relegated. We have a French international Adil Rami playing for a team thats millions in debt and has no money to finish their stadium so why is that allowed ? Not fair. Hey France, stop whining about PSG when its not even fair that other European countries play under deifferent rules than you do and you are complaining about your own ??? Very stupid. France doesnt realize its a global market now for football and they still think its the 1960's. :(
     
  15. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
  16. Oort Cloud

    Oort Cloud Member

    Dec 19, 2007
    Marseille
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    While UEFA cannot tell the French government what rules can be enforced of French clubs. The Champions League would lose much of its luster, marketability, and profitability without teams like Real Madrid, Barca, and Man U, so that's why Spanish and English teams get a pass. Valencia got in debt by building its new stadium. They did get into debt by paying players massive wages and transfer fees. Most of Man U debt came from the Glazers purchase of the club. The people whining, have a point the money coming into full from the Russia and the Middle East is not generated by football clubs, so it inflates salaries and tranfer fees. And other clubs put themselves into debt to compete with those teams. That type of business model isn't sustainable. Chelsea is not cutting spending; they're taking a different apporach to FFP. Chelsea are increasing their revenue by signing landing huge commercial deals with companies like Delta and Gazprom. This type of strategy that i expect from PSG; inorder, of helping them meet FFP.
     
  17. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Well I just dont like how they complain about PSG's salaries or Monaco's tax advantages when in today's market you are also competiting against all of Europe for players and it seems they are only concerned about themselves because they are short sighted and myopic. Ibrahimovic had a huge salary at Milan and prior to PSG you couldnt sign a player like that. Thats not fair competitive balance when its a global/European market now and they say nothing about that only that they want a "European dncg" which probably gets laughed at by everyone else.
     
  18. Oort Cloud

    Oort Cloud Member

    Dec 19, 2007
    Marseille
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Again, Milan is one top revenue generators in football, so they could afford to pay Ibrahimovic. PSG is losing money. PSG ansd Monaco or just 2 clubs out of 40 when you combine Ligue 1 and 2, so the whiners have a point. I don't care IF PSG spend money, but people who don't like it have valid arguments about it.
     
  19. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Well anyway, now the big story is that Thiago Silva is saying he didnt really want to leave Milan. My opinion is thats its not a big deal. Players are transfered for a variety of reasons and it makes sense to me why he wouldnt want to leave there. There's plenty of players who probably didnt want to leave their clubs but were transfered anyway because the offer was too big to pass up and the club needed the money. Not a big deal.
     
  20. lefutur

    lefutur Member+

    Sep 2, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY US
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    a consensus is building in the football community to limit the outrageous spending and dept that some clubs are accumulating. Platini talks about it often and while some people think that the amount of money in football will just continue to skyrocket there are others who feel that inevitability things will need to change in order to maintain the integrity of the sport.

    i dont know if the fact that Zlatan came to Ligue 1 means that other star players will be more attracted to France. did many big name players decide to go to the MLS after Beckham and Henry were payed a gazillion dollars to play there?

    I think L1 should be trying to emulate the Bundesliga and not worry about trying to be like the EPL or La Liga.
     
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  21. lefutur

    lefutur Member+

    Sep 2, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY US
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
  22. guignol

    guignol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    yes but becks and titi are a hundred years old, and the great zlatan is not even 80.
     
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  23. StarrMatthieu

    StarrMatthieu Member+

    Dec 15, 2007
    USA/FRANCE
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    [​IMG]
     
  24. Oort Cloud

    Oort Cloud Member

    Dec 19, 2007
    Marseille
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Financial Fair Play is having an effect, clubs are for the most part are now starting to controlling their spending. Even Man City been pretty silent in the transfer market this Summer, by their standards. PSG and Chelsea are two only two clubs that are spending heavily this Summer.

    Samuel Eto'o is playing at Anzhi, so some players will go anywhere, If they offred massive wages.

    Yeah, the German government watches the spending of clubs. Most French aren't football crazy like your average German. France probably have OL, OM, PSG, then Lille and Monaco will be the clubs with all the financial power in Ligue 1.
     
  25. NicolasN.

    NicolasN. Member

    Oct 25, 2007
    France
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Yes, the grass is always greener on the other side.
     
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