Official: [2012 Matchday 16] Union v Toronto FC - July 8, 2012 p/d/p [R]

Discussion in 'Philadelphia Union' started by Dills, Jul 5, 2012.

  1. BuddhaWake

    BuddhaWake Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Philadelphia
    I was thinking the same around the 70th minute mark. on a hot day like today with humidity being so high I thought he would sub some people out like maybe pajoy, marfan for Wednesday game.
     
  2. Slaskwroclaw18

    Jun 26, 2011
    Philadelphia, PA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah what exactly happened?

    But good win. A win is a win and this was a confident on our part. It gives us momentum not only for Montreal but for the US Open Cup match this Wednesday! Adu looked good and it was nice to see him get a goaland it is getting more fun just to watch Hoppenot subbed on.
     
  3. Barciur

    Barciur Member+

    Apr 25, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    Well, I'm sure he would have, if we had a 3 goal lead. 2 goal leads are really dangerous, so that was on his mind. Last thing you want is to drop 2 points after such a showing and it could have happened if he wasn't careful.
     
  4. UdiHrant

    UdiHrant Member

    Jun 28, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Odds and ends -
    - Montreal just did us a proper - beating Columbus in the dying moments
    - In our match today - not that anyone cares but how do you have 5 2nd half subs - a few injuries and ZERO stoppage time?
     
  5. BuddhaWake

    BuddhaWake Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Philadelphia
    because it was hot as HELL and no point in continuing when Toronto had no chance.
     
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  6. UdiHrant

    UdiHrant Member

    Jun 28, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    oh i wasnt complaining - i just didn't know a ref had that option...
     
  7. derek750

    derek750 Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're a master of karate and friendship for everyone.

     
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  8. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not that we're at the same level, but at the Euro final Casillas asked one of the refs to NOT put on any added time, with Italy being down 4-0 and all. It's respectful, and puts the other team out of their misery earlier.
     
  9. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The only good decision he made all day!
     
  10. K.P.

    K.P. Member

    Mar 18, 2001
    Philly
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, it could have, but those are the calculated risks that a manager needs to take when the team's best shot at a championship is on the line in less than 72 hours. And is it even much of a risk to assume that a Toronto team that is in disarray is not going to find the heart to fight back from 2-0 behind on the road on a hot day, after playing like rubbish for first 2/3 of the game?

    Anyway, I had a great time at today's game but I think that was a tactical mistake from Hackworth, who otherwise seems to be getting good results from the team. Would 30 minutes of rest have helped a 30 year old midfielder like Brian Carroll? We'll never know, but I think he should have made a substitution like that.
     
  11. LINETRASH

    LINETRASH Member+

    Jul 19, 2011
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was before Hoppenot's goal....there was a loose ball in the 18 of Toronto, Hoppenot picked it up and held on to it trying to get a shot off but lost it out but we got the corner. I seen Gomez yellin at him and then I noticed a couple more giving him some grief......then Adu walked over and said something to him......no big deal, but I was in agreement with the players :) 5 minutes later Hoppenot scored and everybody loved him again...........THE END :thumbsup:
     
  12. CopaMundial

    CopaMundial Member

    Sep 11, 2006
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, this was the play where Mike Farfan was pulled down in the box.
    Should have been a PK but then again Mike really should have gotten back up and into the play rather than sitting on the endline watching Hoppenot trying to salvage the play. I think he did a good job winning the corner there and the helpful suggestions of his team mates only came because he's a rookie. If a more established player did the same exact thing no one would say a word to him.
     
  13. LINETRASH

    LINETRASH Member+

    Jul 19, 2011
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I got the feeling they were bullying him........:D

    The Farfan bros are playing some excellent soccer right now and are a handfull out there, along with Adu.......I thought Gomez was off the pace a bit with his passing and some decisions and then he goes and scores......but it got me thinking of a starting line-up that includes Carroll, the Farfans, Adu, Pajoy, Mac/Hoppenot and Roger Torres with Williams, Valdez, Soumare. :)
     
  14. CopaMundial

    CopaMundial Member

    Sep 11, 2006
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Personally, I don't think there's room for Adu and Torres on the field at the same time.
     
  15. SOwannaB

    SOwannaB Member

    Jun 29, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Completely agree. We can't have Torres replace somebody like Gomez because we'd lose a lot of defense and if we played him up front with Adu we'd lose a lot of speed which hurts our chances of getting those through balls that have worked wonders for us lately.

    Keep in mind that we dominated possession and our defense + Carroll at least did a lot less running around then usual.
     
  16. Billy Zabka

    Billy Zabka Member+

    May 4, 2006
    RoFo, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Replace either Adu or Torres with Okugo pushed into the MF and I'm with you
     
  17. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I was merely pointing out that Perlaza struggles to make the 18, and with Jack Mac's surge in confidence that maybe Hackworth could have gotten more out of Mwanga then Nowak did. Look, I agree with you on his performances with Portland. It's funny how they (Spencer / Paulson) shot digs at Nowak for not using him properly, and that he's not a hold up striker...............and then Spencer and company ask him to do those things.........

    but enough of that crap. Onward to Wednesday: We Want The Cup!!!


    In the 4-3-3 that the Union are using Adu is setup as one of the forwards. Torres came in for Farfan and played in MF. They can definitely play together out there. Now our Defense will suffer a lot and Carroll, williams, and G Farfan will have to cover a ton of ground, but we would put a lot of pressure on opposing D's with both on the field late in games.
     
  18. UnionDues

    UnionDues Member+

    Aug 16, 2011
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Another game, another great win. The team absolutely dominated TFC from start to finish. Nice that Freddy decided to show up for this game. The only thing that concerned me was how late the subs were. I would rather have seen Hackworth gamble with some earlier subs in the interests of keeping the legs fresh for SKC on Wed. Winning on Wednesday gets us one more game away from a trophy and is our best shot at hardware this year. SKC, Chivas, and Seattle are all very beatable right now, and dare I say that given our current form, we could beat Seattle on their home turf.

    You have to feel bad for TFC fans. After going down 2 this game, their team just quit on them. They have no heart and no desire to win, and you can see it when you watch that team play. They are pretty much resigned to failure at this point. That kind of malaise is going to be very difficult for Mariner to shake off that squad. He'll probably need to start fresh and bring in a whole new set of players. For us, the coaching change did so much. It was like flipping a light switch on, and all of a sudden we had formidable offense. Hackworth is a much better coach than I thought he would be and he's fast convincing me that the "interim" label should be removed.
     
  19. UnionizedPA

    UnionizedPA Member

    Aug 3, 2011
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    Trinidad and Tobago
    I take back anything negative I ever said about Mac, he has proven me wrong in every way possible. I know we have a big short term goal with Wednesday and somehow having a shot in the playoffs...but with Mac, Hope, Zac, Okugo, Sheanon, Adu (when he plays day game good), and the farfans, we have a stupid impressive under 24 squad! I can say that I am even more excited about us long term! Amazing how 3 wins in our last 4 regular season games can lift our spirits.
     
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  20. CyphaPSU

    CyphaPSU Member+

    Mar 16, 2003
    Not Far
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As you now know, by rule stoppage time is always at the ref's discretion. He made the right call as Toronto literally gave up with about five minutes left. No one had anything left to chase anymore in that sweltering heat and humidity with no chance to win.

    It's also amazing how a different manager with slightly different ideas and a different tone can uplift the play of his players.

    I'm still seeing occasional poor touches and bad decisions on the field from some of our players, but as a unit they are playing with a much greater sense of confidence going forward and knocking the ball around. It's great to see!
     
  21. cpurdom

    cpurdom Member

    Mar 3, 2008
    127 F
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    So nice to see some dominating wins mixed in with the usual drama.
    I love that the defenders have learned to get back on the goal line when MacMath (who had a great game) starts running all over the box.
    Today we saw Adu not only drawing the defense, but beating them.
    Being able to substitute Hoppenot for Jack Mac is frightening. You think the first guy we had out there was annoying? This one's faster.
    From the very start they were making Toronto chase the ball. By the time we got to Hoppenot, Toronto didn't have a prayer.
     
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  22. celt1997

    celt1997 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 31, 2006
    Philly Burbs
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did anyone see the 4th official even hold up the board? I'm wondering if it was a Toronto decision, since I never saw the board go up for injury time. On the other hand, I think this ref was fed up with Toronto and just ended the game.
     
  23. slitz

    slitz Member+

    Feb 19, 2005
    Red City, 140
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    its not toronto's decision. its the CRs decision. there was no board to hold up bc there was no added time. simple as that. the CR has a headset that connects him with the 4th official. i imagine he told the 4th official there would be no time so the the 4th didnt hold up the board
     
  24. UnionDues

    UnionDues Member+

    Aug 16, 2011
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, stoppage time is entirely the ref's discretion. If a game is a blowout, it will often not be played. When we blew out SKC 4-0, the ref did not play any stoppage that game either. That probably had something to do with the fact that the SKC players were becoming violent as well.
     
  25. EmeraldDawn

    EmeraldDawn Member+

    May 11, 2008
    Brick, NJ
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It looked like from my angle the board was set up for three minutes of stoppage time, but the 4th official just programmed it and never held it up.
     

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