Pre-match: Semi-final: Germany vs Italy - June 28 [R]

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  1. ganzetto

    ganzetto New Member

    Jun 27, 2012
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    If Italy wins tonight...... I will say that Mrs. Merkel is the most beautiful woman in the Universe :p
     
  2. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    [​IMG]

    Yes, yes....excellent.
     
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  3. ganzetto

    ganzetto New Member

    Jun 27, 2012
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Ohhh poor! give me your phone number? :)
     
  4. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Lol...I will have my family in Germany spam her inbox if Germany pull this of! :)
     
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  5. phenny

    phenny New Member

    Jun 25, 2012
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    look at her eyes + her satanic grin

    call the ....Exorcist
     
  6. mntiburon

    mntiburon Member

    Jun 25, 2009
    Fairfax County, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You'll have to give her one of these :p

     
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  7. phenny

    phenny New Member

    Jun 25, 2012
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Some considerations:
    It 's just the physical condition that worries me most: Maggio will be disqualified (the only mistake of the referee who whistled england-Italy) and Abate is not in the best condition as well as De Rossi. Chiellini maybe is out, maybe not, Cassano (not for his fault but for the serious problem he had to his heart) has the athletic tone of a walrus, Balzaretti spent plenty of energy as Marchisio. In my opinion the eleven base must consider absolutely the following three players:
    Nocerino, Diamanti and Motta, otherwise we face the big risk of going under in the middle and not counterattacking effectively. The German defence is as good as ours but not better (the goal taken from Samaraa is unaceptable as well as the goal scored by Croatia against Italy) but overalls they are a very strong team and have the highest share ever for young talent: Ozil and Muller '89, Schürrle, Kroos and Reus '90. The youngest Italian player is Ogbonna, a '88 who will
    never see the field. That's the big difference and that's just the way things go with us.
    To use a technical term, it's a ********ing shit.
    To put it even more clear: despite the good results so far obtained, the rose of the 23 chosen by Prandelli is quite stupid and could cost us to go next. Tell me how do you go to the european competition with four central defensors and three external ones, obvious overlaps like Di Natale and Giovinco, at least two players who never see the field (Ogbonna and Borini) and a bizarre choice like Giaccherini which moreover, for the uninitiated, has over 27 years!
    If Abate cannot be in the match, it's total black shit.
    At that point I would play with three players defense Bonucci-Barzagli Balzaretti if Chellini cannot recover midfield to five with Nocerino to the right, left Montolivo, Pirlo, Motta and De Rossi central Diamanti behind Balotelli
    so this is my team compatible with Prandelli's choice:


    Buffon
    Bonucci Barzagli (Chiellini) Balzaretti
    Pirlo
    Nocerino De Rossi Motta Montolivo
    Diamanti
    Balotelli

    The real struggle is played in the midfield between Ozil and Pirlo as both will move around the same area. Of course noone of them will take care of the opponent but De Rossi and Schweinsteiger will do and both far away to 100% of their form.
    Here I think the match will be decided. The key men are De Rossi and Schweinsteiger.
    So the problem is not only in the "containment", but more concretely is in Prandelli's choice, where we have very few players capable of playing at speed: Abate, Maggio, Balzaretti,Giaccherini, Diamanti and Borini (who will not play and I still have to understand why he is here). In front you'll find a pletora of players who don't "tic-toc-tic-likespanishdo" but
    run like trains. So my choice is in some way forced, and five people in the midfield is the only solution that can slow them: we have to stop them at the beginning, because if they arrive at sixty miles an hour on the frontline, we are done like a turkey at thanksgiving day.

    Unfortunately the group itself is a crime. Think what it would mean now the availability of Criscito, which 99.99% won't even be investigated for betting, but they took one second to put apart. Think how much we desperately need an honest sidekick like the humble Cassani and Pepe; but, above all, it's the difference between those who believe in young people and make them play ( Joachim Löw ) and those who pretend to believe in young people and let them stay on the bench. Have I to write down his name?

    Another problem is that we do not have the strikers we had in the past and I meant players like Vieri or Inzaghi or Gilardino, but Balotelli and Di natale could find their lucky day.

    At the end of the story Germans are favourite (they even had two days of rest more and did not play the extra time plus they changed all the forwards in the last match) but, very often, in this match, something goes in a supernatural way therefore if I had one cent I would bet on Italy.

    And one thing more to say to Germans: "if not now....when?"
     
  8. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah, the smell of self-preservation!!
     
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  9. SpaniardFC

    SpaniardFC Member

    Jun 8, 2009
    Vilagarcía de Arousa
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I still hear about not having mueller in 2010 lol
     
  10. canzano55

    canzano55 Member+

    Jun 23, 2003
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Well its extremely elementary and it doesn't extrapolate on the different verb tenses.

    Also the complexity of the language from region - to - region is not taken into account.

    The only way to learn any language is full immersion in that country.
     
  11. canzano55

    canzano55 Member+

    Jun 23, 2003
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Yeah I thought someone would bring that up, but its still somewhat of an excuse. All of them came up short and in the end it appeared that they just didn't have the nerve to win.

    Again, you can blame Robben all you want but I think that's just an easy answer.
     
  12. ganzetto

    ganzetto New Member

    Jun 27, 2012
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    I do not like your speech. is a mere accusation against our coach, however useless at this point in the tournament. Indeed seem only excuses. The conclusions to be made when the tournament ends. Maybe if we win against Germany, then say that Prandelli is the best coach in the world!
     
  13. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well, it is a piece of the bigger picture, isn't it? Blaming Robben is easy as it was the biggest opportunity. We can also blame Gomez for missing a couple sitters. We can blame Boateng for allowing Drogs to make that incredible header. We can blame Schwieni for missing his penner at the end of the PK's.

    Bottom line; I don't think it will affect the game and I don't think it wasn't that much of a lack of nerve. Things just didn't go their way and Chelsea, like they did vs Barca in two legs fought tooth and nail and may have very well had one of the luckiest runs in CL knock-out history.

    Mueller was indeed on fire in that tourney and the next player to come in for him is one Piotr Trochowski, one of the most mediocre players that has/had no business on the German NT.
     
  14. SpaniardFC

    SpaniardFC Member

    Jun 8, 2009
    Vilagarcía de Arousa
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    One thing for sure, it'll be more entertaining than yesterdays game
     
  15. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Yes it works...but...you have to have an ear for languages. If you already speak another language then you should not have an issue. I speak German, English, Russian and Czech and am learning Spanish now. It's pretty easy with RS.

    Now, not sure I would try something like Mandarin unless I already knew an Asian language.
     
  16. Cyclonis

    Cyclonis Forza Juve

    Jul 12, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    If we win, it will be in spite of him, rather than b/c of him. Prandelli has made some questionable decisions, including leaving our best player, Fabrizio Miccoli at home b/c he spoke out against the match fixing in 2006, and insisting that Cassano play even though he is clearly WAY off form. He has also made other choices that leave me feeling that this is more of an Italy B-Team and I am not a fan. Having said that, any team that cannot beat 'Italy B' after our own federation is spotting you points.... then I feel sorry for your mother! :sneaky:
     
  17. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Not from anyone with a brain in their head. There are no excuses for 2010...we played, we lost. Anyone who says anything else is just, well, making excuses.

    I already see several people syaing how Spain was "off" yesterday and not on form. Instead of crediting the Portugese for this some are simply saying it was a combination of Spain being "off" and Portugal being "on"...which is wrong. Spain was on. Portugal was on. Portugal just played Spain like no one has recently.

    Germany has a few excuse makers in our midst too. However, win or lose today...unless it is from a referee error...you won't see many *sane* German fans blame anyone other than ourselves. Of course, the Bayern fans will blame Gomez. :cool:
     
  18. TorontoBayernFan

    Jun 24, 2012
    I'll blame the Mexicans ;)
     
  19. ganzetto

    ganzetto New Member

    Jun 27, 2012
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    In any event comes someone who says Italy to be a B-Team .... but then some way we bring it home! Miccoli not been out for a great end of the season with an injury, so .... And keep in mind that Miccoli, whenever that was not then made the national team so well
     
  20. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Are we saying that this team is Italy's "B" team?
     
  21. Fanatical Monk

    Fanatical Monk Member+

    Jun 14, 2011
    Fantasyland
    Fascinating matchup. We've been blessed to have 4 great teams make the semis. Although I generally dislike Italy, I find myself neutral this time around for some reason. Looking for a good match. That's all I care. And please, no more pens! (there has to be a better way)

    I look for Italy to come out with some form of 352 again. Germany will struggle to control the game as they have in last few. Italy has as good of technical quality as they do, and have the best player left in the tourney in Pirlo. I'd feel much better about Italy's chances if they had brought a finisher to the games. I really think they could use a guy like Micolli right about now. Cassano clearly isn't himself. Balotelli to me is a fine player capable of the incredible. But he's not a great consistent finisher. Not having Rossi is really hurting them.

    I think Germany is the class of the tourney, I include Spain in that as well. They are the most complete team. But the gap isn't great between Germany, Spain, and the next 2 or 3 teams. Germany has the best finishing forwards in the tourney, and if they get some openings they will punish Italy. It will be important for DeRossi and Co to be tight at the back.

    Looking forward to a great chess match.
     
  22. ganzetto

    ganzetto New Member

    Jun 27, 2012
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    many critic Prandelli's choices, then matches are played and Little Italy becomes Italy .... is typical of us Italian fans
     
  23. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    Not everyone has agreed with Prandelli, but he has gotten us to the SF, unbeaten in all competitive matches, if I'm not mistaken. Give the critiques a rest.
     
  24. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Same with Germany. Many favor Reus over Poldi. Some favor Boateng, other Bender.

    I think with BOTH teams no one can really say it's a "B" team given each bench is pretty deep. Both sides have players not at 100% and some with injuries. In the end, I think both teams are at near full strength. Italy comes with more experience and mentally older players. Germany comes with younger players but with little fear and some pretty decent international experience for their age.

    It should be a good battle. If it goes to PKs I am turning off the TV and finishing my beer in peace. I really don't care who wins after PKs. I would rather they let fans from the stands take the PKs...it would be more interesting.

    Or let our women mud wrestle to see who goes through.
     
  25. ganzetto

    ganzetto New Member

    Jun 27, 2012
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    I believe that the only way to face Germany tonight, is not to retreat and attack them from the first minute. Surprise them from the first minute, fielding our ability to read the game, and hope that Balotelli put it in
     

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