Match 4 - GER : POR - LANNOY (FRA)

Discussion in 'Euro 2012: Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 6, 2012.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Saturday, 9 June - Lviv - 2:45 EST
    Germany : Portugal
    Referee: Stephane LANNOY (FRA)
    Assistant referee: Frédéric Cano (FRA), Michael Annonier (FRA)
    Additional assistant referee: Fredy Fautrel (FRA), Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
    Fourth official: Marcin Borski (POL)
    Reserve official: Marcin Borkowski (POL)
    UEFA Delegate: Jozef Kliment (SVK)
    UEFA Referee observer: David R. Elleray (ENG)

    Lannoy has his full French quintet assisting him. The fourth official is Borski of Poland.

    This thread is for all pre-, play-by-play, and post-match discussion of the referee and other officials on the match. Only news and analysis or other facts/information related to the referees and the officiating should be posted here. This is not a team or rivalry thread and will be heavily moderated to ensure it remains that way. Please read the stickied thread at the top of this forum if you have further questions. Thank you.
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lannoy is most famous for sending of Kaka at WC10 in the Brazil v Cote d'Ivoire match. He also did Netherlands v Denmark at that tournament. He has, I think it's fair to say, a reputation for being one of the weaker Elite UEFA referees. That said, he keeps getting big assignments so it might be a case where his mistakes are scrutinized more heavily in the aftermath of the Kaka red card. Anyway, his recent major matches:

    UCL: Real Madrid v CSKA (R16), Man City v Bayern, Chelsea v Bayer Leverkusen, Zenit v Shakhtar
    EL: Atletico v Hannover (QF)
    EURO 2012 qualifiers: Denmark v Norway, Netherlands v Sweden, Russia v Armenia
     
  3. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Never been a fan. Go and prove me wrong. About as big of a game as a group stage has.
     
  4. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    What the heck was that!? That was barely a foul and there's advantage there. Not impressed.
     
  5. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good thru the first 20 minutes. I think he got the tackle on Neuer correct. If it was studs into the leg it would have been red, but since it was just the sweeping leg it was just a caution. Good call.

    I was just catching the tackle on Germany right outside the Portuguese box and the commentators wondering why advantage wasn't played - the advantage was already gone. Gomez receives the ball at 16 yards out from goal with his back to goal. The Portuguese defense stopped when the whistle blew, which is the only reason the ball rolled into the net. Good call, no advantage there.
     
  6. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The defense did stop on the whistle so you can't say for sure it took a goal away, but let it go an extra second or two Stephane.
     
  7. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not impressed with the handling of the free kick - reset the wall, but allowed other Portugese players (to kicker's left) to be closer than 10, who charged in when the first touch was played. Too focused on the wall, not on the other players.
     
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  8. puyol

    puyol Member+

    FC Barcelona
    Dec 24, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    have this ref ever heard of giving advantage , he seems to whistle immedietly without caring where the balll ends up next and he isnt doing it to give a yellow card either :unsure:
     
  9. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    No that is simply not a good call. There was barely any contact, it would if anything be trifling, and he blew the whistle and stopped the Portugese defense which consisted of one man that could've been beaten.
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lack of "situational awareness" is probably how you could sum up all of Lannoy's deficiencies. He knows the Laws and can even manage a game well overall, but in key moments, he gets tunnel vision. You see it with the advantage call. You see it with the wall management. And you see it all the way back to the Kaka incident.

    As for the tackle on Neuer, I agree yellow is just. But he definitely got him with his studs, despite what Keller said. In a different situation, that could be red. It's an incredibly foolish tackle to make. Lannoy, out of position (through no fault of his own) had no real choice but to go yellow for control. Even if he thought it was red, there was no way to sell that. Yellow was the just result. I wonder if the AR helped at all.

    Felt the only somewhat major miss (other than the lack of advantage call) was an elbow early, in front of the technical areas. He called the foul, on Alves I believe, but felt the fourth needs to give help there because it certainly had the hint of a caution--or at least a major talking-to.
     
  11. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's called what, 5 fouls? Only one in which you could or should give advantage. Hardly seems to justify your claim.
     
  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fans don't like it, but that is a GREAT call.
     
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  13. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fantastic there Stephane.
     
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  14. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    I agree that's a good call. Nani tries to stay up and good for him, but the ref blows the whistle when it goes out of play and gives the correct yellow. See a couple really weird calls and one that some refs would mess up. Good call.
     
  15. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed. And in the same way the first "advantage" call was not trifling this was also not trifling. There wasn't much contact but it did affect the way Nani made that run, same as when the German player (Khediera?) was affected while making the pass to Gomez.
     
  16. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    OOOO AARs right there. Cool!
     
  17. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, the 5th official just earned his money.
     
  18. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    +1 for the AAR's.
     
  19. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    Bad analogy, Nani had no possession and couldn't pass to anyone.
     
  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not only that, but he went into his ankle with the ball 5+ yards gone already. It might have been a bit of a slip and there might not have been that much force, but any more violence in that and we could be talking red, as absurd as that might seem.
     
  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ironically, the AAR was not and did not get up to the line. Being a yard off, he really didn't have the perfect angle. He got it right, but if that was closer, his positioning would have been a talking point.
     
  22. Footer Phooter

    Jul 23, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Before I saw the replay, I was definitely hoping that hadn't gone in.
     
  23. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apparently UEFA told the crowd the game could be abandoned if stuff continues to get thrown onto the pitch.

    Thankfully Law 5 gives the refs and not Platini that option. Abandon a Euro game for thrown paper?
     
  24. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    I don't think it would've affected much. Of course the case continues to be made to move him to the other side and out of the way, where he can be on the line for a proper view.
     
  25. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    I wonder what the ruling would be if the paper had racial epithets written on it.
     

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