(THE SUN ARTICLE): "It's Time to Think About the End of Wenger"

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  1. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
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    United States
    Nah Anti, the Wenger foes must be less than 25 % of the fan base. Case in point, how many anti Arsene signs have we seen at the Emirates this year? None that was worth talking about anyway.
    A anti Wenger demonstration was planned at some point but it was a total flop.

    I would not take the BS crowd as very representative of the Gunners fanbase and even there, the Anti Arsene, while loud, are not the majority.
     
  2. Scally

    Scally Member+

    Aug 29, 2006
    Rep. of Ireland
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    Ireland Republic
    Well Anti did say it was the Gooners HE knows...
     
  3. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
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    Fair point Scally. I missed it..... :)

    among the ones I know, it is close to 90/10 pro Arsene. :)
     
  4. Scally

    Scally Member+

    Aug 29, 2006
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    Just saving you an Anti backlash ;)
     
  5. ArsenalTexan3

    ArsenalTexan3 Member

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    Sep 24, 2002
    Jakarta
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    Arsenal FC
    I wouldn't take the crowd signs as an indication. Maybe the booing, but just because you don't see any signs in the crowd doesn't mean a thing. People display their opinions in different ways.

    Does Wenger piss me off at times? Yes. However when I am at games, I'll support the team and the players wearing the Arsenal kit(even if I don't rate them or like them). After the match, it is a different story.
     
  6. Romfordray

    Romfordray Member+

    Oct 24, 2011
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    Arsenal FC
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    Anyone who is half-sensible realizes that he had a really difficult period this last summer. He himself said during his last interview that he could write a book on that ordeal. I do not know of any other manager that has faced this level of adversity (new owner, stadium, wage structure, top players being wooed elsewhere) over the last few years and managed to hold up as well as keep the club where it is now.

    I just feel awful for him when the team has a bad result and the vocal minority just tears on to him. A man of his stature does not deserve this. In an ideal world, I would want him to win a trophy or two in the next couple of years and gracefully move away to a job in the board room.
     
  7. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
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    Thanks Scally.... Pfffff... I owe you big! :)
     
  8. wanye_stirrear

    wanye_stirrear Member+

    Sep 19, 2002
    Maryland
    I haven't read the whole thread, but are people asking where the Wenger out crowd went? That's kinda funny. I know we are on a run, but we're still in fourth place - one win could get us to third; one loss could get us into fifth. I know we're on a run, but unless the bar has moved, we're not far off of where everyone expected us to be at the beginning of the season when many people were upset.
     
  9. hughmanatee

    hughmanatee Member

    Aug 11, 2010
    Montréal
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    Arsenal FC
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    Venezuela
    Is anyone else tired of revisiting this thread every week?

    Until we win a trophy the Wenger Out crowd will continue, and the Wenger In crowd has been more or less vindicated in their views up till now, but as wanye_stirrear pointed out finishing 5th is still very possible. Everyone is right. (Except KozisCul)

    It's just silly, the same reason people want to keep Wenger is the reason people want him gone - ie: selling our best players/having them taken from us; playing consistently attacking football/being tactically stubborn; developing players in our academy/not having enough experience - so unless someone unveils some new, shocking inner-club emails Wikileaks style we're just gonna keep arguing the same....

    Not that this post will change any of that.
     
  10. RealMadGunner

    RealMadGunner Member

    Jul 19, 2006
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    Agree with all your points; Chasing 4th place is not a position we'd like to be in; Competing for trophies is where our ambition must rest;

    That said, you've got to be blind if you don't see an improvement in the team; Sure, we hobbled, sprinted, we strolled along the way to 4th, might have to put up a fight to remain here and to get to third, but after a shambolic summer, I think we are doing quite okay now; A few "panic buys" added experience in key areas, and obviously it took a bit of time to gel, they have become almost indispensable to the team; I guess I'll take 3rd or 4th place, considering all the sh*t we went through the whole season, which for once felt like more downs than ups, but surprisingly we haven't collapsed yet and its March already; :eek:

    Me, I'm quietly confident of our next season; Our defense has the potential to become the best in the league, with enough cover, our midfield solid, and the frontline with bags of pace and new tactics and if any of the rumours are to be believed, Wenger recognises that we could do with a few more goals, and for once adapting his tactics, keeping the basic philosophy same .. He's a keeper !!
     
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  11. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
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    It's the fickleness that gets me.

    After 8-2, it was "get rid of him!". In the middle of our improvement of form in, say, October/November, people were happy. Similarly, the mood was down after the Fulham/Swansea defeats, but now it's good after beating Spurs, the Scouse, and the Toon.
     
  12. lamb

    lamb Member+

    Sep 3, 2004
    Larne, N.Ireland
    what's fickle about it? the board kept wenger. should fans be unhappy that the team win?? :confused: would all the wenger lovers have been unhappy had he been sacked and the team were winning? you're not making much sense.
     
  13. RealMadGunner

    RealMadGunner Member

    Jul 19, 2006
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    On, so anyway, I was reading this article .. And it reminded me that this is going to be Pat Rice's last year !! How's that going to change the way we do stuff ?!!
     
  14. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
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    It's just after every good run/result, the anti-Arsene crowd is not as vocal. If you want him out, you cannot pick and choose when to say he's spent or not.

    I guarantee if we finish 4th or even 3rd, sign good talent in the close season and have a good push for the Premier League next time around, the Arsene Out crowd will diminish.

    The only ways I can see Arsene getting sacked are thus:

    - We continue to finish in the top four and reach major finals but don't win anything
    - We have a really bad season, finishing 7th or 8th or something.

    Until then, I think Arsene is safe, for the time being.
     
  15. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
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  16. lamb

    lamb Member+

    Sep 3, 2004
    Larne, N.Ireland
    you didn't try and answer my question re:if he had been sacked would the people who wanted him to stay be unhappy had the team went on a good run, nor did you address whether fans who want/wanted wenger out should be unhappy when we win.
    i'd say some still want him out, some are waiting to see how the rest of the season and the summer transfer window goes and some may have changed their minds and want him to stay.
    in all honesty, imo wenger needed that kick up the hole from the fans to bring him back to reality.

    sure just say the sun will rise tomorrow. that's as good a prediction.
     
  17. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
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    If Arsene had been sacked post 8-2, and under the new guy we did well, that would appease the Arsene lovers. How can it not?
     
  18. kanonier

    kanonier Member+

    Nov 7, 2005
    Bloomington, Ind.
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    By this reasoning, couldn't we sack him right now?
     
  19. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
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    the board wouldn't have had the balls to sack him up to now.

    However, if the post-2005 trend continues, then I think they would consider it. Part of the discontent is not related to just this season, or the handling of the Cesc/Na$ri transfers. it's that most Gooners are pissed off of being the nearly men since 2005, and if this continues for another 3/4 years, the board may seek to cut their losses.
     
  20. TxTechGooner

    TxTechGooner we're having fun here, no?

    Feb 24, 2003
    Wenger had a great 1st half of his career with Arsenal.
    The 2nd half has yielded nothing but a top 3 or 4 finish.
    yes, he has to be held accountable like every other manager in the world.
     
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  21. lamb

    lamb Member+

    Sep 3, 2004
    Larne, N.Ireland
    oh, by the way, wenger now has the distinction of holding the "longest period of failure under a single arsenal manager" award. congratulations arsene. here's another few million quid. #recordbreaker
     
  22. K:thecore

    K:thecore Member+

    May 20, 2002
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  23. Scally

    Scally Member+

    Aug 29, 2006
    Rep. of Ireland
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    Arsenal FC
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    Ireland Republic
    We have become bogged down in a horrible ineffective style of play. Short posession football utilising 2-3yrd passes over and over until we get pushed back into our own box. We look to be one of the easiest tems to defend against and nullify. Off the ball movement and a broad range of play is non-existant and our speed seems to have disappeared. We dont have guys with the technique to draw two opposing players in before releasing to a team mate making a good run into space.

    It looks as if all we do in training is pass pass pass inside the 18yrd box.

    IMO, there is so much wrong with our play that its staggering. There is no point crying about who is gone and who we could have bought, this is the squad we have. Only the coaches are to blame, our philosophy needs major tweaking.
     
  24. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    He's also the most succesful. Let's fire him!
     
  25. Scally

    Scally Member+

    Aug 29, 2006
    Rep. of Ireland
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    Arsenal FC
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    Ireland Republic
    Failing at irony and sarcasm...

    Nostalgia isn't what is used to be
     
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