Alert: Premier League: Manchester United vs Liverpool - Feb 11,2012[R]

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by nimma, Feb 9, 2012.

  1. Seymour_Gunner

    Nov 23, 2007
    Seymour CT USA
    Why not! The guy gets abused and then had to endure a smear campaign, and then get booed by 50000 Kopites, and then his handshake offer snubbed by the twat and he is suppose to restrain himself so much so not to pee off the twat? He is no effing Gandhi you know!
     
  2. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What the hell is Evra's problem? totally obsessed with Suarez. From aggressively grabbing his arm to the end. I lost a great deal of respect for him I have to say.
     
  3. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    SM, not in the mood for that really.
     
  4. Karloski

    Karloski Member+

    Oct 26, 2006
    England
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Bad day for you, eh?:D

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  5. gazza

    gazza Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    I wasn't actually a huge fan of Evras celebration. I take his side on all this but I think him running down by Suarez was a bit OTT. And it could have escalated things out of control. I don't mind him running around and celebrating but running right in front of Suarez was not needed.
     
  6. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    A few Mexicans are having a go at Evra as welll. LMAO!!!

    Most of them are butt hurt because Cheech didnt play.
     
  7. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It was classless. No wind-up. There were clearly other ways to deal with this situation. Evra was the antagonizer before the match even started.

    Let's not bullshit ourselves and believe the PR fantasy that shaking hands will symbolically make things go away. One has every right not to shake hands, it was Evra's actions that exacerbated this and he tops it off with that taunt at the end. It was just classless and made sure this thing will stay in public. Total opposite of any attempt to deal with racism. Handled very poorly by both sides throughout.
     
  8. Numquam Moribimur

    May 30, 2005
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Oh shut the ******** up you weapon...
     
  9. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Can you please b serious for once?

    A handshake doesnt make everything go away, but it sure doesnt escalate it, like a non handshake does. Its also very classless.
     
  10. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Excuse me, Suarez racially abused Evra not the other way round, Evra was booed for reporting him just two weeks ago, what the hell did he do wrong for God sake.

    Has been awful footballing wise but what he did wrong here seriously.
     
  11. gazza

    gazza Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    How so?
     
  12. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    On top of it, Dalglish was saying he was sure that Suarez is going to shake hands, if he didnt want to, he could asked to scrape the whole thing not make a spot light.
     
  13. Karloski

    Karloski Member+

    Oct 26, 2006
    England
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I'd like to think if it was me, I'd have not done that, but sometimes in life you come across such a dispicable cvnt of a human being, that pushes you at various points, that it may be understandable that you want to give them the proverbial middle finger and say 'suck on that, asshole'. Suarez created the whole tension for that match, and it looked like it was a release for Evra, so I'll let him have that one, as long as he doesn't make a habit of it.
     
  14. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    By being BLACK!!!!:rolleyes:
     
  15. gazza

    gazza Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    I can see it a bit. Kind of heat of the moment thing but still. Suarez was the only one coming off like an ass.

    So he started this whole thing the day he was born? Quite the long fued.....:p
     
  16. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I am serious. I'm sorry my opinion doesn't conform to yours... jeez

    The true symbolic gesture was Evra's reaction, not Suarez's refusal to shake hands.

    Obviously Dalglish and co. have not handled his well and neither has United. Whether he said Suarez will shake hands or not has no effect on the situation, just as shaking hands would only allow us to believe things are tidy now but we all know full well these things are PR stunts.

    The best thing that could have happened was Suarez and Evra simply ignore each other, let the game go on and United's win would have been enough. Now this bullshit will carry on, in stupid fan fantasy and PR narrative.
     
  17. gazza

    gazza Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    That's an odd view to have. Even if you think Evra shouldn't have reacted the way he did, should not have Suarez made a gesture of peace? Evra's was a reaction, Suarez a decision.
     
  18. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Even just for PR, that would be better than what he has turned into now.

    Of course the main issue will never be sorted because one side cannot accept responsibility for what one of there players did. But thats another discussion.

    I just dont see how anybody can attack Evra. What he did is not abnormal. Its slightly "extra" but how you can pin this on Evra, or attack him in all of this makes me think you are just winding people up.
     
  19. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well first of all, I think Evra's reaction was passive aggressive. He had his hand out but he waited til Suarez was going to go into the shake first. He clearly wanted his attention.

    But that's not even the point of contention. The point remains that if Suarez would have shaken his hand it would NOT have been a gesture of peace at all. If we want to believe that, it's a fantasy, a PR-driven fantasy - as was the Terry-Bridge situation or any handled nowadays. It would have made things worse by sweeping it under the carpet pretending it's over. The damage was done with how both clubs operated throughout the whole ordeal.

    What could have happened today to make things turn towards the better was to take the spotlight off both players completely. Ignore each other during the handshake and just let the football do the talking. Clearly there's bad blood there. A handshake will not remove that notion, not to fans and not to the two players. At the end of the day, let the football do the talking because as athletes in the spotlight your actions become symbolic and that's how ideology nowadays functions - through symbolism. Evra's actions made sure that this ordeal will carry on now for at least another two years or so. And who knows what other nonsense this will spawn now between the clubs.
     
  20. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It wouldn't have though. That's the point.

    Pin this? What's 'this'? Today's events, the antagonistic ones were all Evra. Suarez was extremely subdued. He kept his mouth shut and head down from beginning to end. Evra was the one who clearly wanted his attention...from beginning to end. What he did was symbolic and made sure it will carry on. It's melodramatic and immature from someone who should be leading by example. It's almost like he is enjoying the drama and attention from this ordeal. I don't understand how this doesn't have to do with anything other than ego.
     
  21. Numquam Moribimur

    May 30, 2005
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Don't you know Suarez had just missed 8 matches after being on a peace mission in Uganda, He's the victim in all this.:mad:
     
  22. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    A lot of this is true. Cant disagree, but at the end of the day, its Suarez that is the one who racially abused another player. He's the one that has to do the work. You dont like Evra because he snitched on you? Too bad, but the way he's gone about it, even if saying nothing, and keeping his head down, still doesnt help patch up race relations or help improve his image.
     
  23. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    To say it again what kind of midfielder is Henderson?
     
  24. Amdrag

    Amdrag Member+

    Jun 10, 2007
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    A bad one.
     
  25. ALEX408

    ALEX408 Member

    Mar 25, 2007
    SJ
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And neither does this improve Evra's reputable image.

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