(EURO Qualifier) Germany vs Belgium 11.10.2011 [R]

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Hendrik, Oct 8, 2011.

  1. Loddar

    Loddar Member

    Oct 12, 2009
    Herzogenaurach
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    No, Klose does not and no, not a lot of players can score like Gomez. Klose for example can not!

    To put it simply. Klose is a good striker for the NT, who is quite reliable. With Gomez, when playing with confidence, we have an upgrade to Klose in every way, besides some little short passing.
    To let Klose in the first XI is a bit like like letting Mertesacker in the team, instead of Hummels.
     
  2. DerChef

    DerChef Member+

    Oct 5, 2011
    United Kingdom
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I had Klose ahead of Gomez before the recent double header; I still do, though the gap is slightly closer now. Gomez did impress me with his finishing and the great pass he made to set up Schürrle, but while Germany were on the defensive he was somewhat anonymous - whereas Klose would have been in the mix.

    Then there were the misses - two against Belgium and at least one against Turkey. Not absolute sitters, but chances you'd expect a top-level striker to put away.

    A previous poster did say that Gomez finds himself having more goal-scoring chances than Klose - I think there is a point to be had there, but he still needs to do that little bit more to get secure a place in the starting XI.

    Here's my review of the match btw - comments welcome.
    http://www.schwarzundweiss.co.uk/a-perfect-ten-job-done
     
  3. ForeverRed

    ForeverRed Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Don't think that's a fitting analogy.
     
  4. Loddar

    Loddar Member

    Oct 12, 2009
    Herzogenaurach
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think it fits well enough.:)

    Maybe we should make a poll?;)
     
  5. deleted

    deleted Member

    Aug 18, 2006
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Klose has 9 goals in qualifying, Gomez has 6. I think we know who has the better strike rate too.

    nekkibasara brought the stat up when we were talking about villa and Klose had another very productive year last year.

    Klose has 62 goals for Germany at a better strike rate than Gomez's 15-20 goals.



    So Gomez is a better all-round player than Klose (except for short passing)?
     
  6. DerChef

    DerChef Member+

    Oct 5, 2011
    United Kingdom
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'm with ForeverRed on this one.
     
  7. Loddar

    Loddar Member

    Oct 12, 2009
    Herzogenaurach
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I give Klose also an advantage in his first touch and keeping the ball, still when it comes to beat a defender I rate Gomez way higher.

    P.S.: I made a poll: https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1833719
     
  8. ForeverRed

    ForeverRed Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well why do you think it fits? Well, fore one, can you really say Mertesacker's achievements with the NT are at the same level as Mertesacker? Second, Mertesacker's performances and form have trailed off in the last 2-3 years by quite a bit whereas Klose continues to perform at a very high level for the NT and is doing really well in Italy. Don't really get it to be honest.
     
  9. deleted

    deleted Member

    Aug 18, 2006
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Gomez might be better at beating a defender TO the ball*, but not with the ball**

    *When he gets played through on goal with lots of space. But remember Klose beating Big Bad Terry in south africa.

    **At this point he is more likely to fall over.
     
  10. Loddar

    Loddar Member

    Oct 12, 2009
    Herzogenaurach
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well I didn´t say it fits perfectly, exactly because Klose had and still has a more positive influence on the German team.
    I think it´s still somewhat fitting, simply because Gomez and Hummels both mean an upgrade to our first eleven in my opinion, even though Hummels instead of Merte is a greater and even better one than Gomez for Klose.
     
  11. ForeverRed

    ForeverRed Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yea sorry, I meant Klose there. I think the disparity between Hummels and Mertesacker is A LOT more sizable than any that might exist between Klose and Gomez. When Hummels plays you can see the effect in a match whereas there really is none between Gomez and Klose. Gomez has recently picked u his scoring for the NT and is doing so very well but I don't really see what he has over Klose in the greater picture of the NT.
     
  12. Loddar

    Loddar Member

    Oct 12, 2009
    Herzogenaurach
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    @Squid: I answer to your post in the "Klose vs Gomez poll" thread, to keep that discussion separate from the Belgium match.
     
  13. Raumdeuter

    Raumdeuter Member+

    Jan 14, 2009
    Texas
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    You mean Upson?
     
  14. deleted

    deleted Member

    Aug 18, 2006
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    First goal. Wasn't it Terry he beat to the long ball


    Just checked and terry was out of position, so upson it was. Either way, Klose can do it too.
     
  15. Loddar

    Loddar Member

    Oct 12, 2009
    Herzogenaurach
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Of course when you don´t agree to me that Gomez is better than Klose than it doesn´t fit. Otherwise it does!;)

    @Squid: Terry is a slow CB. Him being English and playing in the World Cup makes it even worse than usual and makes him the slowest central defender outside of American Samoa.
     
  16. deleted

    deleted Member

    Aug 18, 2006
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    He's a very good CB.
     
  17. Loddar

    Loddar Member

    Oct 12, 2009
    Herzogenaurach
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    He´s okay for Chelsea but not when playing football for England during his summer vacation.:D
     
  18. deleted

    deleted Member

    Aug 18, 2006
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    better than anyone gomez has dominated
     
  19. Loddar

    Loddar Member

    Oct 12, 2009
    Herzogenaurach
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    You think Terry is better than Kompany? I don´t think so.
     
  20. timh19

    timh19 Member+

    Jul 26, 2011
    I would take a 25 year old Kompany over a 31 year old Terry too.
     
  21. deleted

    deleted Member

    Aug 18, 2006
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yeah I do. There's more players out there as klose has faced a variety of overseas teams. Till gomez dominates hummels...
     
  22. Equilibrium

    Equilibrium Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    None of your busines
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    He already made him his bitch when we beat you 3-1 2 years back.
     
  23. KyleS8

    KyleS8 Member

    Jun 3, 2008
    Kanada
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Right now, there is absolutely no debating that Kompany > JT
     
  24. deleted

    deleted Member

    Aug 18, 2006
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Too long ago to matter right now...
     
  25. Equilibrium

    Equilibrium Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    None of your busines
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

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