2011 Playoff format and seeding thread

Discussion in 'Sporting Kansas City' started by cjgwizard, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah would rather have New York not pick up a point.
     
  2. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now two wins for SKC in their remaining three games would effectively clinch a top-three spot in the Eastern Conference regardless of what anyone else does. Time to take care of business in San Jose . . .
     
  3. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I know what you mean. It'll be so funny if they miss the playoffs.
     
  4. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Updated percentages after the HOU-CHI, NYR-TOR, and SEA-NER games:

    Code:
    [B]Team  East  Top3  Wild[/B]
    SKC   42.5  85.9  98.6
    PHI   36.0  79.6  97.9
    DCU   11.2  43.5  73.1
    NYR   04.0  21.4  58.1
    HOU   03.2  33.5  79.7
    CLB   03.0  27.8  66.1
    CHI   00.0  03.3  16.5
    East - % Chance of winning the Eastern Conference
    Top3 - % Chance of finishing in the top 3 of the Eastern Conference
    Wild - % Chance of making the playoffs


    Projections right now:

    50 points should win the East
    47 points should put us in the top 3 in the East
    45 points should put us in the playoffs
     
  5. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    And after all the games tonight:

    Code:
    [B]Team  East  Top3  Wild[/B]
    SKC   39.2  86.8  99.3
    PHI   37.8  85.5  97.7
    DCU   11.9  42.4  72.4
    NYR   04.8  21.5  57.3
    HOU   03.2  33.2  78.4
    CLB   03.2  27.4  64.3
    CHI   00.0  03.3  15.2
    East - % Chance of winning the Eastern Conference
    Top3 - % Chance of finishing in the top 3 of the Eastern Conference
    Wild - % Chance of making the playoffs


    Projections right now:

    49/51 points should win the East
    47 points should put us in the top 3 in the East
    45 points should put us in the playoffs
     
  6. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

    Aug 8, 2003
    Broken Arrow, Okla.
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Amazing that we're sitting two points clear at the top of the conference, with only two games remaining to play, and we still haven't even clinched a playoff spot.

    Mere formality, though. We're as good as in - almost guaranteed a top 3 spot as well. Thanks for the work, vividox.
     
  7. kcfooty

    kcfooty Member

    Feb 16, 2011
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Atlanta and Boston thought the same thing.... #don'tcountchickens #playtowin
     
  8. YilmazOrhan

    YilmazOrhan Well Brian, I hit it first time...

    Jun 18, 2006
    Suburbia, Kansas
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. I can spin out a scenario where we don't earn another point and finish 12th. Granted, it requires that more games than usual don't end in a draw, but we are not safe yet.
     
  9. Jough

    Jough Member+

    Jul 30, 2007
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
  10. kcscsupporter

    kcscsupporter Member+

    Apr 17, 2002
    D17
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    that really makes me smile. now the yankees need to get crushed by detroit and st. louis needs to bow out before anyone remembers they're there.
     
  11. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Angel's late strike keeps us in first.
     
  12. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    would have loved Chivas to pull the win, but the draw is better than Philly winning
     
  13. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unfortunately we will have to root for LA on Tuesday and Seattle on Saturday.
     
  14. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    After Sunday's games:

    Code:
    [B]Team  East  Top3  Wild[/B]
    SKC   42.0  86.3  98.9
    PHI   38.3  87.5  98.2
    CLB   06.8  50.2  88.5
    DCU   05.3  25.2  55.1
    NYR   04.6  19.9  49.6
    HOU   02.9  27.7  70.5
    CHI   00.0  03.1  10.7
    East - % Chance of winning the Eastern Conference
    Top3 - % Chance of finishing in the top 3 of the Eastern Conference
    Wild - % Chance of making the playoffs


    Projections right now:

    49/51 points should win the East
    47 points should put us in the top 3 in the East
    45 points should put us in the playoffs
     
  15. cjgwizard

    cjgwizard Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    LSP, section 129
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So now we are rooting for Seattle this week.....that certainly feels a little dirty. Let's just beat the Cows and get it overwith already. I don't want to go into DC without a top 3 spot already clinched.
     
  16. Abracadabra

    Abracadabra BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 11, 2006
    Olathe, Kansas
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A look at what remains for each of the teams with anything much to play for. The playoff cut currently projects to 44 points, btw.

    FCD - 46:mad:CHI, VAN, @SJE
    CLR - 45: RSL, @VAN
    SKC - 45: NYR, @DCU
    PHI - 44: @SEA, TFC, @NYR
    CBS - 44: @NER, @CHI
    HOU - 43: @POR, LAG
    NYR - 40: LAG, @SKC, PHI
    POR - 40: HOU, @DCU, @RSL
    DCU - 38: @VAN, CHI, POR, SKC
    CHI - 37: FCD, @DCU, CBS


    Those teams with only two games left are at a serious disadvantage and it is reasonable to assume that their positions might slip. Note that United not only have four left, but their last three are all at home, and the other one is racing with the parking brake on. The table is set and no excuses remain for them at this point. DC is going to be in high gear for our game and we had better be prepared for that.
     
  17. cjgwizard

    cjgwizard Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    LSP, section 129
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just looking at the East, I think I would rather keep our schedule than trade it with anybody else at this point. There may not be many games this week, but the LA/NY and POR/HOU games are going to have a huge influence on the wildcard race.
     
  18. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    POR/HOU is not until 10/14. SEA/PHI is the other big MLS game this week (Saturday) besides NYR/LAG (Tuesday).
     
  19. cjgwizard

    cjgwizard Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    LSP, section 129
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. YilmazOrhan

    YilmazOrhan Well Brian, I hit it first time...

    Jun 18, 2006
    Suburbia, Kansas
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's how we sit on the first two tiebreakers (head to head and Goal Differential) against our playoff spot rivals. I won't dig into the third tiebreaker until absolutely necessary.

    Philadelphia - currently tied on Goal differential
    Colorado - SKC leads by 5 in GD
    Columbus - SKC leads by 10 in GD
    Houston - SKC won the season series
    Portland - SKC won the season series
    DC - Still TBD. SKC won the first game, up 7 in GD
    New York - Still TBD, NY won the first game. SKC up 2 in GD

    And the unlikely/probably irrelevant ones:

    Chicago - Fire won the season series, but they have to win out and SKC get one more point for the tie to happen.
    Dallas - SKC leads by 5 in GD, but they have to lose out while we pick up one point for the tie to happen at 46 points. A tie at 47 or more means both teams are probably in the playoffs anyway, but I will revisit if it becomes necessary.

    Just for grins, here's a not-unreasonable set of outcomes that (I think) get us in the playoffs without scoring another point:

    Houston: Draws with Portland, doesn't beat LA AND
    Portland: Doesn't get full points from both of their other two games (@DC and @RSL) AND
    Chicago: Gets less than full points from any game (FCD, @DCU, CMB)

    In this situation, SKC wins any tiebreakers at 45 with Portland and Houston (and a 3-way tie), and Chicago is out of the picture.

    If NY loses to LA tonight, they would also need to win their final two games to get ahead of us, but let's not count that chicken until it's out of the shell and going "peep peep".
     
  21. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, unless I am missing something, a win over New York clinches a playoff spot for SKC no matter what else happens. That would get SKC to 48 points and limit the Red Bulls to a maximum of 46 points even if they beat LA. Should Portland beat Houston or vice-versa, the loser of that game would also be limited to a maximum of 46 points, leaving at most only 10 teams still capable of getting to 47 or more points.

    If Houston loses to or draws with Portland, and either Columbus or DC loses (or Philadelphia loses twice), then a win over New York also clinches a top-three spot in the Eastern Conference for SKC. Of course, in the unlikely event that all of those things happen, then a win over New York clinches first place in the Eastern Conference for SKC.

    If New York loses to or draws with LA tonight, and Houston beats Portland or vice-versa (no draw), then a draw with New York clinches a playoff spot for SKC, since they win the head-to-head tiebreaker over both Houston and Portland.
     
  22. cjgwizard

    cjgwizard Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    LSP, section 129
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like less complicated. :) Clinching our spot against NY means we could be a spoiler to DC (though I figure with 4 games left, they could already know their fate by 10/22), and that would be a nice little treat to end the season with. Gawd, this NY game is huge. Gotta gotta gotta win it.
     
  23. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, again, unless at least two other results go the right way over the next two weeks, SKC will still be playing for a top-three spot on 10/22. I think that it is critical to avoid the wildcard round, and there is a legitimate home-field advantage at LSP that finishing first in the conference would provide.
     
  24. cjgwizard

    cjgwizard Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    LSP, section 129
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. YilmazOrhan

    YilmazOrhan Well Brian, I hit it first time...

    Jun 18, 2006
    Suburbia, Kansas
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While several teams can lock in a spot with a win, the only team I'm 100% certain can be eliminated next week is Chicago. That last weekend of the season shouldn't lack for drama...
     

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