World Defender Of The Year Since 1930

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Dearman, Sep 19, 2011.

  1. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
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    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
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    Thailand
    This is my own list. Similarity to Goalkeeper. Defenders are usually rated below offensive positions. This is researched for best DFs of the world since 1930 to present. Some ranking base on best ranking of DF in Ballon'Dor or FIFA world player of the year and even UEFA Champion League best defender.

    1930 Jose Nasazzi
    1931 Jacinto Quincoces
    1932 Jacinto Quincoces
    1933 Luis Monti
    1934 Luis Monti
    1935 Jose Nasazzi
    1936 Paul Janes
    1937 Paul Janes
    1938 Domingos Da Guia
    1939 Domingos Da Guia
    1940 - 1946 No Assessment Due To WWII
    1947 Niel Franklin
    1948 Mario Rigamonti
    1949 Niel Franklin
    1950 Schubert Gambetta
    1951 Billy Wright
    1952 Billy Wright
    1953 Nilton Santos
    1954 Jose Santamaria
    1955 Nilton Santos
    1956 Nilton Santos
    1957 Nilton Santos
    1958 Jose Santamaria
    1959 Jose Santamaria
    1960 Djalma Santos
    1961 Djalma Santos
    1962 Karlheinz Schnellinger
    1963 Karlheinz Schnellinger
    1964 Silvio Marzolini
    1965 Giacinto Facchetti
    1966 Bobby Moore
    1967 Giacinto Facchetti
    1968 Giacinto Facchetti
    1969 Carlos Alberto
    1970 Bobby Moore
    1971 Franz Beckenbauer
    1972 Franz Beckenbauer
    1973 Franz Beckenbauer
    1974 Franz Beckenbauer
    1975 Franz Beckenbauer
    1976 Daniel Passarella
    1977 Elias Figueroa
    1978 Daniel Passarella
    1979 Ruud Krol
    1980 Daniel Passarella
    1981 Ruud Krol
    1982 Gaetano Scirea
    1983 Gaetano Scirea
    1984 Alan Hansen
    1985 Gaetano Scirea
    1986 Manuel Amoros
    1987 Giuseppe Bergomi
    1988 Frank Rijkaard
    1989 Franco Baresi
    1990 Andreas Brehme
    1991 Franco Baresi
    1992 Franco Baresi
    1993 Franco Baresi
    1994 Paolo Maldini
    1995 Paolo Maldini
    1996 Matthias Sammer
    1997 Roberto Carlos
    1998 Lilian Thuram
    1999 Jaap Stam
    2000 Alessandro Nesta
    2001 Alessandro Nesta
    2002 Roberto Carlos
    2003 Paolo Maldini
    2004 Paolo Maldini
    2005 Paolo Maldini
    2006 Fabio Cannavaro
    2007 Fabio Cannavaro
    2008 John Terry
    2009 John Terry
    2010 Maicon


    *Remark : Luis Monti was responsible as marker very much in his late career so I consider him as defender in 1933 and 1934.
     
  2. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
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    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    Prepare for a huge ****storm for listing John Terry. :D
     
  3. Once

    Once Member+

    Apr 16, 2011
    I would give 1975 to Elías Figueroa..
     
  4. frasermc

    frasermc Take your flunky and dangle

    Celtic
    Scotland
    Jul 28, 2006
    Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
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    Celtic FC
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    Scotland
    Roberto Ayala deserves consideration for 2003/04
     
  5. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    I understand you put him as the best of 2006 by his first semester and his performance at the World Cup, but for 2007 I'd say he was very bad playing for Real Madrid, very far to be one of the best 10 defenders that year.

    For 2008 I'd say Rio Ferdinand was better than him. That year he was a key player for Manchester United to win the FA Premier League and the UEFA Champions League.
     
  6. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    Was really Paolo Maldini the best defender of the year during that period?, I could remember him playing very good to his age, but not so great. At least I'd select to Gianluca Zambrotta to 2003 and Roberto Ayala to 2004.
     
  7. Dearman

    Dearman Member

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    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
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    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
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    Thailand
    I really don't know who should be the best in 2007 so I just base on FWPY ranking. It is no way Rio is the best defender in 2008. Trophy is nothing to rate him. Rio did so many mistake in the late season. Fortunately, his team is good enough to compensate his perofrmance.
     
  8. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Feb 21, 2003
    Put simply, what's the point?

    There is not sufficient information available to make a good judgement for the likes of 1931 or 1953. So what's it based on and what's the point?

    Like others say, if it's not even possible to get 2008 right, there's no point in looking back much further because the system is massively flawed.
     
  9. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
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    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
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    Thailand
    Maldini won Bronze Ball Ballon'Dor in 2003, won Series A defender of the year in 2004 beat Nesta and Cannavaro, won 6th place Ballon'Dor in 2005.
     
  10. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
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    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
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    yes, the list is not easy to do exact year for the 1930s to the 1950s but at least I know period of the prime of world legendary defender. I use this combine with thier achievement of trophy. Surely, it cannot be 100 percent true but it is good to make investigation of possibility.
     
  11. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    Oh!, well, if you're basing on the FWPY ranking I understand your list mate, but actually, I'd say that ranking is very awful apart of the best player (even sometimes I think the best player is also wrong). I don't think Fabio Cannavaro have any possibility to be considered the best defender in 2007.

    About Rio Ferdinand, I remember him as one of the best players of Manchester United and was in my best eleven that year. Actually, I think between 2007 and 2008 was arguably the highest peak of performance of him, just only after that he decreased his level.
     
  12. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    I understand if you put him considering the individual awards, but, for example, I don't think Paolo Maldini deserved the Bronze Ball in 2003 neither he was better than Nesta in 2004.

    I think it's considerably clear that Maldini won those considerations by his respectable figure and for the devotion as a legendary and veteran player who still was playing at the high level, but not because he was really the best defender objectively.
     
  13. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    I'm agree if we rely in the individual awards, I'd say there is a lot of wrong considerations. But if we try to follow many old matches I feel we can make an own idea.

    For 1931 I believe Quincoces is right, he was very good at his first season in Real Madrid and was part of the arguably best defensive line in Europe alongside Ciriaco, meanwhile the best defender in South America was Nasazzi and that wasn't one of his best years playing for Bella Vista.
     
  14. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Feb 21, 2003
    In the biggest game of 1931 Quincoces was part of a Spanish team thrashed 7-1 by England at Highbury.

    Real Madrid finished 6th in La Liga which was itself hardly the strongest league in the world, albeit with the best defensive record.

    These aren't conclusive, but they certainly don't stand out to me as things that would indicate the world's best defender.
     
  15. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    To that game Quincoces was injured despite he finally played and Ciriaco didn't play. His replacement, Ramón Zabalo, was awful that game and Zamora was erratic in the goal.

    The pair Quincoces and Ciriaco wasn't part really to that game and was the worst match of Spain (at overall) during that year.

    That's wrong mate, you're thinking about the season 1930/31 and not about the year 1931, what it's different.

    Jacinto Quincoces wasn't part of the last semester of that Real Madrid what finished 6th, during his first 6 months that year he played for Deportivo Alavés being champion of the second division and with the less beaten defense. Then he was transferred to Real Madrid and played for the next 6 months of that year for them without losing a single game and being the first part of their championship that season with the less beaten defense again. Quincoces and Ciriaco were at that moment alongside Zamora regarded as the best defensive system of Europe in Real Madrid, all of them in their highest peak, despite at overall Spanish league wouldn't the best in the world or even defensively by the rest of the teams.
     
  16. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Feb 21, 2003
    I've not seen anything I can recall suggesting Quincoces was injured and I did quite a bit of research on that gamr recently. Why did he play if injured? It's not like Spain were on a tour.

    So he played most of the season in the second division, and he's being named the best defender in the world.

    Again, what is the actual evidence to support this?
     
  17. Perú FC

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    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    Sometime ago I could watch the resume of that match from a clip (not just the highlights as nowadays, but the film version was ready to the movie theaters as usual at this time) and the Spanish narrator specified in a moment that Quincoces had forced his presentation despite a knee injury.

    Again, I'm not referring about a season mate, but the whole year 1931. Talking about the first semester of that year when he was playing for Deportivo Alavés, despite it may seem strange currently, I'd say the differences between the Spanish first and the second division weren't so far by individualities at that time (at least for Alavés what was regarded as one of the best Spanish squads since 1927/28). Actually, you could get an idea about how Quincoces shinning still from the second division as well he was a regular starter player from Spain since 1928, 3 years before he started to play in the first division (also playing in the 1928 Olympic Games in Amsterdam).
     
  18. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Another great list Dearman

    However I share similar view as of PeruFC that:
    - 2004: Nesta was a better defender and well more deserved than Veteran Maldini

    - 2007: Canavaro was well "exposed" to Liga attackers in first half season, remember? Either Nesta or Dani Alves were better (1st great season at Barca) just that their team did not win jack, so Cannavaro was overated.

    - 2009: Well Puyol should deserve one time for his consistency at Barca; even Vidic could be well recognized (Terry was still solid but not like excellent that year)
    ... predict ...
    - 2011: should belong to Dani Alves with his contribution (unsung hero) at Barca as 2nd best in direct assists and countless chances making.
     
  19. schwuppe

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    Even if Quincoces was the best defender in Spain at that time, which I won't question - how do we know that he was better than defenders from Great Britain, Austria, Italy, Czechoslovakia or Argentina and Uruguay?
     
  20. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Feb 21, 2003
    I've seen no mention of this in any of the English newspaper reports of the game. Regardless, it doesn't really matter if he played injured or not. In the biggest game of his year he got beaten 7-1.

    Steve Bull played for England despite playing in the second division and he did very well there. It didn't mean that he was the best striker in the world.

    Not only is it dubious that the Spanish league was among the best in the world (the national team certainly weren't and they had none of the imports that bolster the league today), but he was playing for half the year in the second flight.

    I mean seriously, where is the evidence that he was the best at the time? It's just a complete guess.

    For instance if he'd picked Virginio Rosetta who captained Juve to the 1930-1 and 1931-2 Serie A titles, or Eddie Hapgood who was outstanding in Arsenal's 1930-1 title and played conistently for England, then it would still be dubious because there is so little evidence, but it could at least be reasonable.
     
  21. Karloski

    Karloski Member+

    Oct 26, 2006
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    Manchester United FC
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    You clearly didn't watch him that season. Defence was the main reason for the double, and it was one of his best seasons for us. He played around 50 matches with around 29 goals being conceded, and the whole team played with more assurance when he was on the pitch. He was right up there for best defender that season.
     
  22. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    To make individual comparisons I believe you first need to separate those who are specially mentioned as the most outstandings and then compare them. To 1931, by all the special mentions you could find by many resources you'll a poll of some candidates as José Nasazzi from Uruguay, Severino Minelli from Switzerland, Virginio Rosetta and Umberto Caligaris from Italy, José della Torre from Argentina, Eddie Hapgood from England, Milutin Ivkovic from Yugoslavia and Jacinto Quincoces and Ciriaco from Spain.

    Then, how you could make your own idea about who was better?, like any other, watching their matches and analyzing their summaries. For all of them, as prominent and even international, you can check audiovisual material from many matches and you can read the summaries of many analysts of the time to make your own idea, as I did.
     
  23. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    I remember the unmistikable image of Quincoces when the narrator mentioned his recent knee injury. If it's right, wouldn't be an irrelevant fact, but would mean that he played conditioned by that injury.

    Regardless, even if you believe he played fit, nor would be the matter that Spain lost 7-1, but how he played individually (because we're talking about Quincoces in 1931 and not about Spain in 1931). Watching the material of the game and viewing how played Zabalo and Zamora, I believe it's not so difficult to understand why they were crushed. To their time, if 1 of the defenders and the goalkeeper were bad was a disaster because there were only 3 defensive players at the back line against a 5-man offensive line. Actually, I don't remember any error of Quincoces filmed, a poor coverage or even a bad pass. The final score just could only impress you if you get a group idea, but not by individual performances.

    But not only that, even in the extreme case you consider that he really played bad that game in good conditions, we're talking about a single match in the whole year. You can find many resources about how he played great for Deportivo Alavés and Real Madrid in that period and formed a very known pair with Ciriaco not only in Spain, but in Europe with Zamora at the goal. Actually, I could say by sure Zamora played bad that game, but still was a great year to him playing for Espanyol and Real Madrid and very probably was very similar at the level of Combi for the best goalkeeper of the year.
     
  24. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    It's a very bad example mate. First, Steve Bull wasn't ever a famous player of the English national team, not even a regular starter, while Quincoces established himself as a regular starter and one of the highly regarded players of Spain alongside Zamora, Cilaurren, his partner Ciriaco and then Lángara.

    Then, you maybe need to understand the huge difference between the comparisons of the level of the first and the second division of Spain in lately 20's and early 30's and England in lately 80's and early 90's (from is your example of Steve Bull). In Spain, the Liga Española and its divisions were just only created in 1929 and started from the 1929/30 season. Teams to each divisions were selected by the technician to have reach a final match cup during the amateur time, what was very irregular to determine the level of the teams at that moment. That's the reason because teams as Celta de Vigo, Real Betis, Valencia, Sevilla, Real Oviedo and even Deportivo Alavés were selected to the second division while Atlético Madrid, CE Europa or Arenas Club were selected to the first division being clearly at that time inferior clubs than the first mentioned. For 1930/31 season, you couldn't identify really a clear difference of level between the Spanish first and second division, what couldn't be understood if you think just only in modern times and don't place yourself on stage at the time referred.

    So, for that reason, yes, Quincoces could be the best European defender even playing in the Spanish second division at that time, what would be really an absurd idea thinking about Steve Bull in lately 80's.
     
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  25. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Feb 21, 2003
    Whatever you want to tell yourself. Quincoces was the best in 1931, John Terry was the best in 2008. Fine, that's settled then.
     

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