USA vs. Costa Rica 9/3 Post-Match [R]

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by schrutebuck, Sep 3, 2011.

  1. alocksley

    alocksley Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    Burbank, CA
    We're all thinking of the Fulham Deuce, the take-the-team-on-his-shoulders, driven, goal-hungry attacker. Not the on again-off again USMNT Deuce.
     
  2. Major Major

    Major Major Member

    Jul 20, 2011
    Colorado
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That being said, Donovan is not good at free kicks. I wish we could import a specialist from Japan or Korea, they seem to have their dead ball situations down pat.
     
  3. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's even played RB recently.
     
  4. UPinSLC

    UPinSLC Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    SL,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    actually beckerman is an excellent passer, in fact he has the highest passing accuracy in MLS and has completed, by far, the most passes in the league. has that translated to this level? tough to say, he's gotten very few opportunities to try but i think he did well against mexico and at least deserves more chances. especially with other players failing to lock down that position.
     
  5. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Please no. He is obviously not ready for this level yet and I'm not sure he ever will be again. I've seen all of his matches this year too.
     
  6. INKRO

    INKRO Member+

    Jul 28, 2011
    The Guadelope Dempsey you mean? :)

    Yeah, poorly. :p
     
  7. starbuck9000

    starbuck9000 Red Card

    May 17, 2011
    Donovan played like a big ladies bra. He needs to show some courage and go back to the EPL. Playing in the MLS is not preparing him for international competition. There's just no reason for our supposed best player to be playing in MLS when so many other "lesser" players are trying to make it in Europe.

    i just see no intensity from him.
     
  8. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Yeah, my bad. I meant Mcbride.
     
  9. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    That would be nice, Honda is fantastic with direct FKs.
     
  10. alocksley

    alocksley Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    Burbank, CA
    On the contrary, Donovan has developed into a very good dead ball specialist, after some early struggles with it in his career. Oddly, the entire US team did poorly on set pieces tonight, which is usually their only decent form of attack.
     
  11. CTS26

    CTS26 Member

    LAFC
    United States
    May 26, 2008
    Kannapolis
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One time out of how many tries? The point is we are not consistant with scoring from direct free kicks, something that can be fixed just like the fitness problem and the lack of finishing.

    It just takes time.
     
  12. MJ-inBRITAIN

    MJ-inBRITAIN Member

    Feb 19, 2006
    Nottingham, UK
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well we'll have completely different opinions on him then, I've given the reasons why I thought he was good, but you haven't been able to state a single example why you thought he was poor. Tell us why.

    His season HAS just started. 7 games is not much and I'm not even sure if you think he played in all those matches as I looked for him twice and he wasn't there. He was def tired in the second half whatever the reason and should've come off.

    To back this up, I've just had a look at his stats which were very good. I think he should've been a key player for us last WC and he will be again. I've been asking for the Edu/Torres midfield for 3 years now and finally got to see a full game of it. I don't know much about Beckerman, but from everyone else I've seen, he is the most suited to being paired with Torres as Torres needs someone to cover for him as he plays a more advanced role.
     
  13. elvinjones

    elvinjones Member

    Jul 4, 2011
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: USA vs. Costa Rica 9/3 Post-Mortem [R]

    Which would be even more ironic because the only argument against the content that i posted was that it was a slower paced game. I just pulled the first notable 'thumbs up' pic i found.
     
  14. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honda is very mediocre during the run of play.
     
  15. Major Major

    Major Major Member

    Jul 20, 2011
    Colorado
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That seems to be the area (along with striker) that we are forever doomed to have no depth or ability at. Jozy is good for hold up play and the odd scrappy goal on the international stage, but he isn't a consistent scorer.

    What we need... is Brian Ching. Let's give him bionic legs and let him head/chest/bicycle kick/volley every ball into the back of the net. He will score all the goals. :p
     
  16. jamezyjamez

    jamezyjamez Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    yeah but those stats are misleading imo. defensive midfielders rarely make risky passes (nor should they). it wouldn't surprise me to find a defensive CM or CB with the highest accuracy all the time.
     
  17. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    This. I can't believe it, but I'm becoming an apologist for Kyle.

    In a midfield with a guy imposing rythm (typical #8, like JFT), you need a DM who is mobile (without advancing much into attack) and who can pass, so he doesn't spoil the rythm. And who can change the rythm of play --something only a good passer can do.

    Kyle seems like the best fit in the pool.
     
  18. alocksley

    alocksley Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    Burbank, CA
    Ugh. Give it a rest with this already. Donovan has had bad games for the US while playing in MLS and spectacular games for the US while playing in MLS. Your theory cannot be backed up by any kind of logical statistics.
     
  19. ElEquipodeTodos

    ElEquipodeTodos New Member

    Jun 4, 2011
    Club:
    --other--
    Re: USA vs. Costa Rica 9/3 Post-Mortem [R]

    He hasn't looked like a train wreck on defense, there is no comparing the two. His problem has been his passing, which believe it or not improved today. Note, Dos Santos played the second half against Usa. He has only been capped, what 3 times?

    He is getting better and better and showed today that he is capable of making good runs. Imo I think he will get better with his passing as he builds more chemistry with this team. I disagree with your view of him playing poorly, especially tonight, but we will see what happens in the future.
     
  20. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Alright? I was responding to someone who was talking about FK taking abilities.

    Not sure I understand your response as it isn't really refuting anything I said.
     
  21. Major Major

    Major Major Member

    Jul 20, 2011
    Colorado
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ehh.... not really. While he has improved, he is no where near class at directing corners or free kicks. I'd say out of every 10 free kicks he takes, maybe 2 or 3 are on target and where they need to be. He is no Steven Gerrard, that is for sure.
     
  22. alocksley

    alocksley Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    Burbank, CA
    You may be right. Speed of play is the issue in international play, though. we'll have to see if Kyle can hold his own against, say, a European side in Europe. Perhaps Klinsi will give him this chance vs. Belgium?
     
  23. alocksley

    alocksley Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    Burbank, CA
    Steven Gerrard is your measuring stick? Be fair, please.
     
  24. iad_22201

    iad_22201 Member+

    Jan 2, 2009
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's started and played a full 90 minutes in all but 1 of 8 matches this season (playing 80 plus in the 8th before being taken off (and missing Rangers 9th match with a red card suspension)). I repeat, his season hasn't "just started". He is fully match fit.

    As for his performance today. When CR started pressing in the second half he was frequently out of position (see, eg., CR's goal). It was not an impressive performance.
     
  25. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does quoting somebody always need to be refuting somebody?

    The point is, do you want a player like Honda who is mediocre at best during the game, but is among the best in the world at free kicks? Interesting question
     

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